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KHL has registered Jiri Hudler contract with Dynamo Moscow

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07-30-2009, 01:09 PM
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After Malkin broke his RSL contract using 2 week rule the Russian parliament changed the law. When the KHL was founded that rule bounded all the players who signed KHL contracts.

I'm basically just repeating dumbed down summaries I've seen from other sources since I dont understand all the legalese though.
Ok, that may have been all it was. I seem to remember an article mentioning that the KHL basically follows a new set of rules, not just the simple Russian labor law rules, but I'm sure there are a lot of subtleties to it that weren't spelled out.

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The Hudlers are laughing at you all.

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I love how the gangsters running the KHL can't even write grammatically-correct press releases. If Hudler wants to **** off and play in Russia, I don't mind that, regardless of whether or not he files for arbitration. Can we just please stop acting like the KHL is some sort of legitimate sporting organization, and start ignoring them?

Then again, I guess they have the oil money. What a bunch of petulant children.
Blame the quality of the translation not the press release in the Russian language.

The NHL refuses to pay a fair price for development of talent. What a bunch of gangsters.

See it works both ways.

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Committing to arbitration is a process in which you've agreed to speak to an arbiter about a fair salary for a contract next year. You can sign a long-term deal between the day you file for it up until the hearing. It's not a set in stone contract by any means. Just like Russian youngsters that are RFA's or whatever similar system the KHL uses that are out of contract, they should be free to move to whichever league they please if there is nothing committed to for the coming season.

Banning a player that is out of contract from leaving your business model (which is what the KHL and NHL are) is probably illegal and most definitely immoral.

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The Hudlers are laughing at you all.
I literally lolled in my cube.

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No, doesn't Russian labor law give them the "2 weeks notice" rights? I thought the issue was that the KHL no longer accepts the Russian labor law as governing for their contract, but rather they have their own standards, and that's why it's different from how it used to be in the RSL?
Russian labour law was changed with regard to contracts for professional athletes and the "two week notice" provision was removed effective 30 March 2008.

The law also provides that an RFA can buy his way out of his contract.
http://slapshot.blogs.nytimes.com/20...-with-the-nhl/

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I love how the gangsters running the KHL can't even write grammatically-correct press releases. If Hudler wants to **** off and play in Russia, I don't mind that, regardless of whether or not he files for arbitration. Can we just please stop acting like the KHL is some sort of legitimate sporting organization, and start ignoring them?

Then again, I guess they have the oil money. What a bunch of petulant children.
Butt hurt much?

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I literally lolled in my cube.
haha priceless

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Considering the facts that:

- there is no arrangement or any agreements between Kontinental Hockey League and National Hockey League on restricted free agents transfers;

- NHL refuse to cancel the registration of a contract between Florida Panthers and Yevgeny Dadonov (contractual and sporting rights on this player belong to KHL club Traktor Chelyabinsk);

- Jiri Hudler has no valid contract with any National Hockey League club;

- Detroit Red Wings have no permission from NHL to negotiate with Dynamo Moscow on Jiri Hudler transfer rights;

- Vancouver Canucks intend to sign a deal with Sergei Shirokov (contractual and sporting rights on this player belong to KHL club CSKA);

KHL has to take the following decisions:

- to register Jiri Hudler contract with Dynamo Moscow on July 30, 2009 regardless of the results of arbitration hearing on his case in National Hockey League and to provide player with the right to choose the league he wants to play in.

- to affirm the KHL readiness to start at any time and in any form negotiations with the NHL mediated by IIHF on the restricted free agents status and other issues of the General Agreement on players transfers between KHL and NHL.
Sounds like a bunch of babies.

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The KHL isn't entirely within Russia. Off the top of my head I know there are teams in Riga and Minsk... aren't there others not in Russia as well?
LOL thats like saying that because McDonald's has restaurants all over the world, they get to set their own labor standards and not abide by the standards of the Country a particular restaurant is in.

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Banning a player that is out of contract from leaving your business model (which is what the KHL and NHL are) is probably illegal and most definitely immoral.
That KHL restriction would be illegal and unenforceable in any EU country under the European Court of Justice's 1995 Bosman ruling (Union Royal Belges des Sociétés de Football Association ASBL & others v. Jean-Marc Bosman; Case C-415/93, ECR I-4921) striking down such restrictions in soccer and guaranteeing freedom of movement for any player whose contract had expired.

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LOL thats like saying that because McDonald's has restaurants all over the world, they get to set their own labor standards and not abide by the standards of the Country a particular restaurant is in.
I wasn't using that as justification, just refuting a point (that the KHL was entirely within Russia, which it isn't).

And in terms of leaguewide rules it is relevant I imagine. If there are conflicts between the laws of the various nations they'd have to be addressed as far as they affect intraleague issues.

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I love how the gangsters running the KHL can't even write grammatically-correct press releases. If Hudler wants to **** off and play in Russia, I don't mind that, regardless of whether or not he files for arbitration. Can we just please stop acting like the KHL is some sort of legitimate sporting organization, and start ignoring them?

Then again, I guess they have the oil money. What a bunch of petulant children.

Is your Russian better than their English? Glass house and all that....

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Committing to arbitration is a process in which you've agreed to speak to an arbiter about a fair salary for a contract next year. You can sign a long-term deal between the day you file for it up until the hearing. It's not a set in stone contract by any means. Just like Russian youngsters that are RFA's or whatever similar system the KHL uses that are out of contract, they should be free to move to whichever league they please if there is nothing committed to for the coming season.

Banning a player that is out of contract from leaving your business model (which is what the KHL and NHL are) is probably illegal and most definitely immoral.
Just because a contract isn't set in stone doesn't mean that other contracts that are larger than Hudler and the Wings aren't in play that contractually obligate Hudler once he elects for the arbitration process.

No he doesn't have a contract but he's basically signed one when he filed for arbitration. The only thing is putting the money and terms in there by a 3rd party. To say he's out of contract is a misnomer when he is a part of the NHLPA who has a CBA with the league that binds players and teams to a process in this manner.

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Is your Russian better than their English? Glass house and all that....
You expect Burke's spirit to be literate, let alone cordial, let alone alone pro-european?

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The difference between basically signing one and signing one is pretty big. Between his arbitration hearing and filing for it he can be traded, or signed to a long-term deal no? He's in the middle of a process to get a contract signed, which is heavily different from having a contract signed. What if the team elects to go to arbitration? Using your theory the player would have no choice but to remain in the NHL until his RFA arbitration eligible years are through.

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That KHL restriction would be illegal and unenforceable in any EU country under the European Court of Justice's 1995 Bosman ruling (Union Royal Belges des Sociétés de Football Association ASBL & others v. Jean-Marc Bosman; Case C-415/93, ECR I-4921) striking down such restrictions in soccer and guaranteeing freedom of movement for any player whose contract had expired.
Since when was Russia in the EU? NVM i see what ur saying..

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