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07-03-2009, 10:26 AM
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Leafs contend with tampering twitter over Sedin signings - The Province

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For a couple of days now, Internet message boards have been humming with amateur sleuths who have been trying to determine if the Toronto Maple Leafs should be investigated for tampering with the Sedin twins.

Even if most media have ignored this story, they are not alone.

Privately, team execs have been wondering the same thing. Did Leafs coach Ron Wilson breach NHL bylaws on a Toronto radio show when he suggested his team was targeting the Sedin twins a day before the start of free agency?

"I heard what he said and it seems to be a clear-cut case of tampering. He basically tells those two free agents: 'Hey, we're coming for you, wait for us,'" one NHL executive said. "There's not a question in my mind. It could have left the Canucks high and dry. Look at what he said, then look at what (Leafs GM) Brian Burke did. He flew to Sweden."


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Later it was learned that just after Wilson made those comments, Burke was on his way to Sweden on an overnight transatlantic flight.

The NHL's rigid tampering rules leave almost no wiggle room. The punishment is severe and can include fines, suspensions, and loss of draft picks. And the NHL vowed it would take any tampering case seriously heading into this free agent season.

Recently, each NHL team received stern memos which they had to sign off on, warning them about the league's strict tampering rules. Teams were warned the rules didn't just apply to GMs; they covered every employee and representative. Breaches were going to be dealt with severely. Under NHL bylaw, 15 organizational employees are not permitted to express interest in any player belonging to another NHL club.

The bylaw states tampering to be: "The making or causing to be made through any medium, public or private, any statement indicating any intention or desire of or interest in acquiring the services (of a player on another club)."

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"It is our understanding that clubs are not entitled to express interest in a player belonging to another NHL organization," Burke said last summer.

"Our understanding is that such an expression of interest constitutes tampering."

According to NHL bylaw 15, Burke is right.

Making this case more serious are reports out of Toronto that Burke flew to Sweden on the eve of free agency because he was going to make a big-money offer to the Sedins.

The Sedins agreed to their deal with the Canucks only hours before becoming free agents and it happened while Burke was en route. The Sedins' agent JP Barry made it clear the Sedins spent a lot of time thinking about all of their options before signing.
Glad the Sedins signed in Vancouver anyhow.


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Great, hopefully this doesn't cost us our 1st

It's always good when our coach and GM don't follow the rules.

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If Wilson/Burke wanted to put it in the media that the Leafs wanted to sign the Sedins, they would have done it a lot earlier than the night before free agency.

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Can't they just keep their traps shut sometimes when it comes to the media? I mean, I know these guys like to get their faces out there but this is just beyond stupid. These guys are professional and should know better then to say this kind of crap.

PS. I too am glad the nucks got the Twins. I would have been hard pressed chearing for this team with them in the Blue and White

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Great, hopefully this doesn't cost us our 1st

It's always good when our coach and GM don't follow the rules.
The Sedins signed in Vancouver so IMO this is case closed. Had the alternative happened then the Canucks could have actioned on the issue.

CASE CLOSED

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i think it will be a fine rather than a pick penalty since they remained with the team

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Slow news day in Vancouver, I guess.

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Can't they just keep their traps shut sometimes when it comes to the media? I mean, I know these guys like to get their faces out there but this is just beyond stupid. These guys are professional and should know better then to say this kind of crap.

PS. I too am glad the nucks got the Twins. I would have been hard pressed chearing for this team with them in the Blue and White
Sorry but who is "they"?

I haven't even heard the interview but I thought Wilson was the one that whatever it was that was said.

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gustavsson?

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Burke can just lie and say he flew to Sweden for Jonas. Wilson however...yeah, no escaping that.

Fine at the worst, I hope.

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Sorry but who is "they"?

I haven't even heard the interview but I thought Wilson was the one that whatever it was that was said.
When I say they I mean Ron Wilson and Burke. You are right about this issue, it was Ron wilson who spoke.

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much ado about nothing.

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gustavsson?
The question I have is why did Burke go over to Sweden on July 1st when he wasn't scheduled to meet up with Gustavsson until much later that week. Today actually, I believe.

Wouldn't it be just like this team to miss out on both the Sedins and then get robbed of their 1st because of tampering, along with the 2nd and 4th we already miss..

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Burke can just lie and say he flew to Sweden for Jonas. Wilson however...yeah, no escaping that.

Fine at the worst, I hope.
What were his exact words?

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Is Wilson's interview online somewhere

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The question I have is why did Burke go over to Sweden on July 1st when he wasn't scheduled to meet up with Gustavsson until much later that week. Today actually, I believe.
Yeah but wasn't Francois Allaire with Burke on the trip to Sweden? Why bring a goalie coach if the Sedin's are the sole purpose.

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Question for anyone living out West:

Is The Province a reputable newspaper in Vancouver or is it the equivalent of the Toronto Sun here?

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The question I have is why did Burke go over to Sweden on July 1st when he wasn't scheduled to meet up with Gustavsson until much later that week. Today actually, I believe.

Wouldn't it be just like this team to miss out on both the Sedins and then get robbed of their 1st because of tampering, along with the 2nd and 4th we already miss..
Perhaps he just wanted to do some sight seeing before meeting up with the Monster?


Seriously though...

Of course it's speculation but one would have to think it would be to see the Twins?

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Pierre McGuire (on Free Agent Frenzy Day..special thingy) did say Sweden is beautiful this time of the year. Not cold, a lot of sun and people like to go and "have lots of fun" at the beach.

Burkie clearly just wanted some sun before meeting with Jonas. I don't know how clear it could be.

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At the end of the day the rule itself is a bunch of crap to begin with, IMO. Is anyone naive enough to think that every GM isn't going to consider all options? Is any player naive enough to think they might not get offers from other teams if they hit the market? Are we worried that this becomes leverage to screw another GM over? I'm sorry but if I am the GM of a team, I know that everyone can make a play and I just make my offer and set an amount I won't go over for someone's services. If they don't like that, then they get to test the waters. Whatever.

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Is Wilson's interview online somewhere
Here Burt:
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Maple Leafs Head Coach with Bob McCown & Jeff Blair

* Tuesday, June 30th, 2009

The Head Coach for the Maple Leafs talks with Prime Time Sports about the NHL Draft, in addition to free agent goaltender Jonas Gustafsson and the Sedin Twins.

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That's a pretty serious allegation. I remember hearing about Wilson's comment, but I never heard it. What exactly did he say? That being the case, several things stand out to me.

- Wilson is the coach. Not the general manager. He has no official input on acquiring players. I can't see it being too much of an issue.

- Burke flying to Sweden means nothing in of itself. He's hot on the trail of Gustavsson, remember? It makes sense he would be there, anyway, even if he were attempting to lure them.

- The Sedins signed with Vancouver. So far I haven't heard any actual evidence that Burke even spoke to the Sedins.

Just some speculation from a bunch of kids with a 3rd and 4th generation inferiority complex.

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This might cost a 1st round pick, or a second. So I think it's good for this organization, cause Toronto has never been FANTASTIC at drafting playaz and playettez. So maybe you are better off. I think Burke will make some beautiful trade because all this, and this makes the Leafs... a much better team, instantly. I like it. Go Leafs!!!!!!!

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The Sedins went to the Nucks, enough said.


If leafs got them this issue would be ver serious.

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You could probably go to many media outlets who have interviewed coaches and have asked the question "Would you be interested in signing ______?" and I bet there are dozens where the coach has answered yes. Only difference is this is Toronto and the media decides to blow everything up to keep interest.

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