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08-04-2009, 03:10 AM
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Kaberle
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Any chance you can get CBJ to throw in the rights to Rick Nash's first born?

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Counter offer.

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08-04-2009, 03:36 AM
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Kaberle is not worth that, specially after the season he had. I doubt he gets traded for picks and prospects. He will prolly go for an impact forward.

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Kaberle is not worth that, specially after the season he had. I doubt he gets traded for picks and prospects. He will prolly go for an impact forward.
Too much or too little?

I would even drop that 2nd pick if push came to shove

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Kaberle is not worth that, specially after the season he had. I doubt he gets traded for picks and prospects. He will prolly go for an impact forward.
An impact forward is worth more than this package. I think this is fair, but I agree that Burke will want more of a sure thing.

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08-04-2009, 06:43 AM
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Scratch the 2nd and let CBJ dump.

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Moore, Torres (dump), 1st in 2010

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this deal would have been made at the draft if either team was interested in either player. ...I really liked Moore (enough that I would have taken him in the top 10-12), but he was maybe the biggest project player in the 1st round coming out of High School ...if anyone thinks his value is even close to Kaberle they are nuts.

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this deal would have been made at the draft if either team was interested in either player. ...I really liked Moore (enough that I would have taken him in the top 10-12), but he was maybe the biggest project player in the 1st round coming out of High School ...if anyone thinks his value is even close to Kaberle they are nuts.
I think you have your first round picks confused. Unless you are calling the USHL high school now?

Howson isn't going to move Moore who fills a large need in our pipeline. To get that elite puck moving d-man the Jackets will have to grow it and Moore is our best shot at that for now.

I think we need to start focusing on a guy like Van Ryn as I just don't see Howson willing to part with the assests it would take to land Kaberle... and I certainly don't see Burke lowering his asking price.

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I think we need to start focusing on a guy like Van Ryn as I just don't see Howson willing to part with the assests it would take to land Kaberle... and I certainly don't see Burke lowering his asking price.
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08-04-2009, 09:17 AM
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I think you have your first round picks confused. Unless you are calling the USHL high school now?

Howson isn't going to move Moore who fills a large need in our pipeline. To get that elite puck moving d-man the Jackets will have to grow it and Moore is our best shot at that for now.

I think we need to start focusing on a guy like Van Ryn as I just don't see Howson willing to part with the assests it would take to land Kaberle... and I certainly don't see Burke lowering his asking price.
Van Ryn for a 2nd in 2010 would be a fair deal IMO.

Agree with your points though.

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IF Columbus were willing to trade Moore and a 1st (extremely unlikely of course), the salary dump would be Modin or Chimera. Not Torres.

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why does columbus do this? they have a good team with young players positioned to grow, they drafted moore to fill the need of a PMD, why would they trade him along with a 1st and 2nd in '10 for 2 years of kaberle? they will be a much better team going forward keeping moore and using those picks.

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What I find funny is how TO fans want to trade Kaberle. Sure he didn't have a great season, but who exactly is going to play offensively in the back end? Finger? Come on guys, you're going to be pinned in your own end for most of the games. Then you're going to ice a PP unit with very little offense coming from the back end? What's with that???

Trade Kaberle, please do, I hope he has a great career elsewhere.

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why does columbus do this? they have a good team with young players positioned to grow, they drafted moore to fill the need of a PMD, why would they trade him along with a 1st and 2nd in '10 for 2 years of kaberle? they will be a much better team going forward keeping moore and using those picks.
But, But, But, I thought the only reason Columbus was in the NHL was to assist team's in their rebuilding efforts by taking veterans that the fans of that team no longer wanted and returning our top prospects. At least that's the impression I get around here.

This is similar to last Saturday's Trade Kaberle to the Jackets thread, and last Friday's Trade Kaberle to the Jackets thread, and last Tuesday's Trade Kaberle to the Jackets thread, and sort of like last Monday's Trade Mike Van Ryn to the Jackets thread. (Think I'm exaggerating, look it up)

I'm guessing it'll be similar to this Thursday's Trade Kaberle to the Jackets thread as well.

Columbus would love a player like Kaberle, but 1) can't afford the salary, and 2) because of #1, can't afford to give up the prospects on entry level contracts to get him.

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What I find funny is how TO fans want to trade Kaberle. Sure he didn't have a great season, but who exactly is going to play offensively in the back end? Finger? Come on guys, you're going to be pinned in your own end for most of the games. Then you're going to ice a PP unit with very little offense coming from the back end? What's with that???

Trade Kaberle, please do, I hope he has a great career elsewhere.
We re-equipped our tank to be a devastating physical force.......but we had to remove the treads in order to add more armor.

If CLB fans feel that MVR is a better option for a trade b/w the two teams....start throwing us some offers, you know MVR is on the trading block.

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why does columbus do this? they have a good team with young players positioned to grow, they drafted moore to fill the need of a PMD, why would they trade him along with a 1st and 2nd in '10 for 2 years of kaberle? they will be a much better team going forward keeping moore and using those picks.
Wow someone actually gets it around here. Kudos to you sir!


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If CLB fans feel that MVR is a better option for a trade b/w the two teams....start throwing us some offers, you know MVR is on the trading block.
As far as I see it there are two options: Jason Chimera for MVR or a 3rd round pick for MVR, might be able to swing a 2nd for him if its conditional. Either way, Toronto needs to lose a defenseman and add probably a 3rd or 4th line wing.

We've been through this a million times in the last month.

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Van Ryn for a 2nd in 2010 would be a fair deal IMO.

Agree with your points though.
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As far as I see it there are two options: Jason Chimera for MVR or a 3rd round pick for MVR, might be able to swing a 2nd for him if its conditional. Either way, Toronto needs to lose a defenseman and add probably a 3rd or 4th line wing.

We've been through this a million times in the last month.
That makes sense, and there's little doubt Van Ryn is available at that price. Still, if I was Columbus, I'd be looking at Kaberle even at the higher price he'd command over Van Ryn. There's a big difference between those two players, and Kaberle's the sort of guy it makes sense to pay a premium for IMO. Which, of course, is why I don't want the Leafs to trade him.

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That makes sense, and there's little doubt Van Ryn is available at that price. Still, if I was Columbus, I'd be looking at Kaberle even at the higher price he'd command over Van Ryn. There's a big difference between those two players, and Kaberle's the sort of guy it makes sense to pay a premium for IMO. Which, of course, is why I don't want the Leafs to trade him.
Yes he is. For CERTAIN teams. Columbus is not one of those teams. I don't know why Columbus fans keep having to repeat this, but here it goes, AGAIN.

Columbus can not afford to take on any money. They can't afford to trade young, CHEAP talent even more.

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Yes he is. For CERTAIN teams. Columbus is not one of those teams. I don't know why Columbus fans keep having to repeat this, but here it goes, AGAIN.

Columbus can not afford to take on any money. They can't afford to trade young, CHEAP talent even more.
Look, I understand that. I just think this gets overstated by Columbus fans a bit too much. If they can afford to pay Freddy Modin 3.5 M and Raffi Torres 2.75, you'd think they could manage the slight jump in salary from one of them to Tomas Kaberle at 4.25 M. Any trade would be equal salary for the most part.

Conversely, why is MVR at 3.25 somewhat reasonable, but Kaberle at 4.25 is unreasonable? That doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Now, if the point is that they can't afford to weaken their pipeline, then thats reasonable, but its only tangentially related to financial pressure.

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IF Columbus were willing to trade Moore and a 1st (extremely unlikely of course), the salary dump would be Modin or Chimera. Not Torres.
Modin, Moore, 2010 1st Round Pick for Kaberle? I think Toronto would have to consider this.

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Look, I understand that. I just think this gets overstated by Columbus fans a bit too much. If they can afford to pay Freddy Modin 3.5 M and Raffi Torres 2.75, you'd think they could manage the slight jump in salary from one of them to Tomas Kaberle at 4.25 M. Any trade would be equal salary for the most part.

Conversely, why is MVR at 3.25 somewhat reasonable, but Kaberle at 4.25 is unreasonable? That doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Now, if the point is that they can't afford to weaken their pipeline, then thats reasonable, but its only tangentially related to financial pressure.
I think Modin and Torres are more of a reason why they can't than they are a reason why the should.

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