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08-03-2009, 01:59 AM
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I would be expecting a quality prospect in return if it was one of our two defencemen going the other way. The Rangers likely wouldn't want to pick up $4M in salary anyway so I doubt it's a plausible scenario.

Perhaps something like Nilsson + Schremp would work if Sather is looking to acquire a similar but cheaper replacement-level player. Turn around and move Staios to a team looking for a veteran player and I would feel pretty happy with our roster.

Penner-Horcoff-Hemsky
Zherdev-Gagner-O'Sullivan
Moreau-Cogliano-Pisani
Jacques-Pouliot-Stortini

Visnovsky-Gilbert
Souray-Grebeshkov
Strudwick-Smid
Peckham

Khabibulin
Drouin-Deslauriers

That's a decent looking team with some solid potential if one or two of Gagner, Zherdev, Cogliano, or O'Sullivan turn into more consistent offensive threats.

If nothing else, Zherdev would add a more reliable offensive player to our top 6 which is something we desperately need. He's certainly an enigmatic character but he's at least turned into a 25-35-60 guy over the last couple of seasons.
This line up brings some hope and satisfaction to me
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I wonder if they would consider a Staios + Nash deal. They lose salary and gain a prospect while we get rid of an overpaid player.

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08-03-2009, 02:38 PM
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I'd definitely be down with Zherdev. I really hope Smid is not part of the package though. Anything including Staios, Nilsson, Pouliot, Schremp. Something like that. Spare parts, basically.

Zherdev seemed to play his best hockey under Renney, and his worst hockey under Hitchcock and Tortorella's more defensive minded systems. So I think Zherdev would be perfect for this "Detroit style" puck possession game that Quinn and Renney keep talking about for next year. We'll see what happens.

And it certainly helps that Grebeshkov and Khabibulin are here. I'm sure he's played a lot internationally with Grebeshkov.

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I usually don't indulge with stuff like this cause of potential HF backlash from mods and members but I thought I'd share this since its been such a crappy summer for Oilers fans.

Today I went for breakfast with a friend who happens to be a player agent. He mentioned that lots of player movement could potentially happen as a result of the Zherdev case. Basically, the Rangers don't think he's worth his arbitration award and are potentially looking to dump him prior to the 72hr deadline. They are negotiating with Prospal (at nearly half the price) and/or Tanguay (who they think is a better player) to fill that roll. Basically, if they can get either of these players at bargain prices they are willing to let Zherdev go. However, the Rangers would still want to get some value for Zherdev without taking on any or much salary (assume this means prospects or draft picks). He mentioned teams like Florida, Minnesota, Detroit (which I find odd) and Edmonton being interested. He also didn't like Edmonton's chances because they'd want to move salary which the Rangers don't want in return. He did mention Pisani, Moreau, and Smid as players whose names popped up, the first two kind of suprised me. He also said the Rangers could still be in the Heatley sweepstakes with a package involving Zherdev if they and Ottawa could find a 3rd team to take on some salary.

I don't know how much sway or knowledge player agents have or even the salary/line-up situations of other teams, so take it for what its worth.

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08-03-2009, 02:53 PM
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I usually don't indulge with stuff like this cause of potential HF backlash from mods and members but I thought I'd share this since its been such a crappy summer for Oilers fans.

Today I went for breakfast with a friend who happens to be a player agent. He mentioned that lots of player movement could potentially happen as a result of the Zherdev case. Basically, the Rangers don't think he's worth his arbitration award and are potentially looking to dump him prior to the 72hr deadline. They are negotiating with Prospal (at nearly half the price) and/or Tanguay (who they think is a better player) to fill that roll. Basically, if they can get either of these players at bargain prices they are willing to let Zherdev go. However, the Rangers would still want to get some value for Zherdev without taking on any or much salary (assume this means prospects or draft picks). He mentioned teams like Florida, Minnesota, Detroit (which I find odd) and Edmonton being interested. He also didn't like Edmonton's chances because they'd want to move salary which the Rangers don't want in return. He did mention Pisani, Moreau, and Smid as players whose names popped up, the first two kind of suprised me. He also said the Rangers could still be in the Heatley sweepstakes with a package involving Zherdev if they and Ottawa could find a 3rd team to take on some salary.

I don't know how much sway or knowledge player agents have or even the salary/line-up situations of other teams, so take it for what its worth.
And this is supposed to make us feel better how?

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Some of the line combinations I've seen posted isn't what I expect this year. Cogliano will receive a chance to play in the top six as a winger. He's weak in the faceoff circle and he's really fast, so why put him as a center? I think he'll be playing on the 2nd line LW.

If we are able to snag Zherdev for Nilsson and then trade Staios to Florida/NYI... I would try this out too see if O'Sullivan is capable of handling first line duties... and let Horcoff start the year as our 3rd line center:

Zherdev-O'Sullivan-Hemsky
Cogliano-Gagner-Schremp
Penner-Horcoff-Pisani
Moreau-Brule-Stortini

PB: Jacques/Pouliot

If sign the Oil are looking to sign a UFA for the 3rd line center position then we could have:

Zherdev-Horcoff-Hemsky
Cogliano-Gagner-O'Sullivan
Penner-UFA-Pisani
Moreau-Brule-Stortini


I think its about putting players in position were they are comfortable. Penner does not want the spot light as number line player. Let him quietly do is thing on the 3rd line and the PP. If there's no internal option for the 3rd line center position, I rather see Horcoff play there then Cogliano. Cogliano is an offensive prospect, so he should get time to develop in the top six.

If we can get into playoffs with this line-up, great! If not, there's nothing wrong with adding another high end prospect.

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08-03-2009, 03:09 PM
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And this is supposed to make us feel better how?
Missed the important part, sorry.

He believes that the Oilers have remained quiet on the UFA front after Heatley because they're waiting to see what happens with Kovalchuk and whether or not he re-signs or becomes available.

Edit. Just some friendly weekly coffee banter that we have, thought I'd pass along for the rumour mongers out there.

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Zherdev+Sangs for Grebeshkov!

Haha I wish, coming from a Rangers fan I have to say Edmonton is probably the best fit for Z. Renney kind of babies his players and I think that is what Zherdev needs for him to succeed. A coach who is going to use positive reassurance rather than bringing down a player.

Zherdev with Hemsky has the potential to be a dynamite line. I wouldn't mind seeing Edmonton do well I've always liked Renney.
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the rangers need to clear some space to add another dman or two. Higgins was part of the gomez salary dump and doesn't appear to be a core player, maybe just trade bait for Heatley if you believe Eklund.

Zherdev + Higgins for Smid + Staois?

The oilers then sign a vet for 1 mill and have a 7 man defence of Souray, Lubo, Gilbert, Greb, Pekham, vet, Strudwick

we then have to clear a forward or two, Nilson via buy-out and someone else via trade. candidates for the top 6 are hemsky, horc, penner, gagner, osullivan, cogliano, zherdev and higgins


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Missed the important part, sorry.

He believes that the Oilers have remained quiet on the UFA front after Heatley because they're waiting to see what happens with Kovalchuk and whether or not he re-signs or becomes available.

Edit. Just some friendly weekly coffee banter that we have, thought I'd pass along for the rumour mongers out there.

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Missed the important part, sorry.

He believes that the Oilers have remained quiet on the UFA front after Heatley because they're waiting to see what happens with Kovalchuk and whether or not he re-signs or becomes available.

Edit. Just some friendly weekly coffee banter that we have, thought I'd pass along for the rumour mongers out there.
After all this Heatley crap, getting boned by Kovalchuk/Atlanta would send over one half of HF Oil to the funny farm.

Please, just let us wallow in our own crapulence for the rest of the summer!

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I honestly think Nillson + Shremp gets it done.
What I would then do is deal Staios, and if that is impossible, put him in the minors.

What we would likely end up doing is Dealing a d-man (Souray, Vish, Gilbert, or Grebs) for a lesser contract.
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Nilsson, Smid and Schremp for Zherdev and McDonagh?
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I like that Staois + Schremp idea.
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the rangers need to clear some space to add another dman or two. Higgins was part of the gomez salary dump and doesn't appear to be a core player, maybe just trade bait for Heatley if you believe Eklund.

Zherdev + Higgins for Smid + Staois?

The oilers then sign a vet for 1 mill and have a 7 man defence of Souray, Lubo, Gilbert, Greb, Pekham, vet, Strudwick

we then have to clear a forward or two, Nilson via buy-out and someone else via trade. candidates for the top 6 are hemsky, horc, penner, gagner, osullivan, cogliano, zherdev and higgins
You guys are dreaming in technocolor. The Rangers would elect to walk away from Zherdev but pay Nilsson $2 million or Staios $2.7 million? Or they would take a washout like Schremp? Or they would include Higgins out of the goodness of Sather's heart? Get real. The Rangers won't give Zherdev away for nothing, and outside of the inclusion of Smid, we are offering up nothing.

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You guys are dreaming in technocolor. The Rangers would elect to walk away from Zherdev but pay Nilsson $2 million or Staios $2.7 million? Or they would take a washout like Schremp? Or they would include Higgins out of the goodness of Sather's heart? Get real. The Rangers won't give Zherdev away for nothing, and outside of the inclusion of Smid, we are offering up nothing.
I said I liked the idea, for obvious reasons, but that doesn't mean I think it will happen. I can see Smid or Peckham though, as the Rangers are looking for a young stay-at-home, mean and cheap bugger. But it will be complicated to do so, it means other moves have to happen on the side, like still trading Penner to OTT (without Heatley being implicated) or Staois/Nilsson/O'Sullivan/Moreau somewhere. So that deal will take a while if it should eventually come down.

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Hearing Oilers are going hard after Zherdev, Rangers may start getting desperate leading up to decesion.

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Yeah. Smid is rumored to be going the other way along with someone else. Smid + Nilsson. I'd be all for it.

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I would take him in a heart beat if he comes at t he right price. He's not a superstar by any means but he's a guy who might push Hemsky to be better. We know Hemsky wants to be the best player on this team and if Zherdev makes Hemsky want to be better then I think its a win win.

He would be good on the PP with Hemmer. Im also liking the idea of adding more red to this team. Khabby + Grebeshkov + Zherdev, I like it.

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Just a thought from a Ranger fan here
What about a 3-Way deal,
Ottawa - Cogliano/Smid + Penner + Rozsival + NYR picks/prospect
NYR - Heatley + J.Smith (or to EDM)
Oilers- Zherdev + Lisin/Kotalik + NYR Pick/prospect

Ott - Gives: Heatley, Gets: Cogliano/Smid + Penner + Rozsival + NYR pick/prospect
NYR - Gives: Picks/prospects + Zherdev + Roszival
Oilers - Gives: Cogliano/Smid + Penner (salary dump)

Thoughts?

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Just a thought from a Ranger fan here
What about a 3-Way deal,
Ottawa - Cogliano/Smid + Penner + Rozsival + NYR picks/prospect
NYR - Heatley + J.Smith (or to EDM)
Oilers- Zherdev + Lisin/Kotalik + NYR Pick/prospect

Ott - Gives: Heatley, Gets: Cogliano/Smid + Penner + Rozsival + NYR pick/prospect
NYR - Gives: Picks/prospects + Zherdev + Roszival
Oilers - Gives: Cogliano/Smid + Penner (salary dump)

Thoughts?
You might having something there.

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Hemsky + Zherdev = Absolute Sick Dangles!!!

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