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08-03-2009, 11:47 PM
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new dynasty league forming...

i've been wanting to start up a dynasty keeper league for quite sometime.

essentially, the league would be run through both a message board and, yahoo fantasy hockey.

i am targeting 12-16 teams in total. each gm will pick one of the teams in the nhl and protect five players currently on the roster (whether signed or prospect). afterwards, a 40 round draft will occur where gm's will complete their roster of 25 active players and 20 prospects. full league details will be released once the league begins to fill up.

if interested, post a message here and, state your team of interest (i'll make my pick at the very end). ideally, mature gm's are encouraged to apply.

1. papershoes -- team tba
2. Ignatius J Reilly -- Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Washington
3. Bleak -- Anaheim
4. ZhasX -- Washington, Chicago, LA, Philadelphia
5. Flyers -- Philadelphia, LA
6. FutureFF -- Phoenix
7. Porn* -- Toronto, Columbus, Minnesota, Chicago
8. Roflologist -- Boston, St.Louis
9. loganmacinnis -- Philadelphia, TB
10. Schooner Guy -- Montreal
11. glassjaw -- Buffalo, Philadelphia, Ottawa
12. Zauper -- Detroit, San Jose
13. mlugia -- Columbus
14. Bogosian -- Atlanta
15. VanIslander (option one) -- Chicago
16. AlexMaz -- Calgary


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I am probably down for this, I am in a dynasty league now with some HF guys and I am wrecking shop, best regular season record last year, championship this year, playoffs all three years in a deep and active league.

I would want the Penguins as my first choice, Flyers as second, Capitals as third.

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I'll join. ANA =)

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i am targeting 12-16 teams in total. each gm will pick one of the teams in the nhl and protect five players currently on the roster (whether signed or prospect).
I would be interested if you drop this out. It's not fair when someone has Crosby, Malkin, Fleury etc when someone will have to settle for say Hemsky, O'Sullivan, Khabibulin. Whoever gets Penguins (or for some extent Ducks, Capitals) gets an unfair advantage compared to others. Everyone should be on the same line when the draft starts.

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I would be interested if you drop this out. It's not fair when someone has Crosby, Malkin, Fleury etc when someone will have to settle for say Hemsky, O'Sullivan, Khabibulin. Whoever gets Penguins (or for some extent Ducks, Capitals) gets an unfair advantage compared to others. Everyone should be on the same line when the draft starts.
Word. Bet you dollars to nickles whoever gets the Penguins/Hawks/Capitals goes deep in the playoffs.

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I would be interested if you drop this out. It's not fair when someone has Crosby, Malkin, Fleury etc when someone will have to settle for say Hemsky, O'Sullivan, Khabibulin. Whoever gets Penguins (or for some extent Ducks, Capitals) gets an unfair advantage compared to others. Everyone should be on the same line when the draft starts.
I'd be interested, but they bring up good points.
I think depends on who you choose to keep, it should determine the draft order?
I'm not sure what order the Draft would be in, but I think the team with the highest overall of 5 players should pick last in the order. Even then it's still a bit unfair.
Just a thought.

Just to put my teams up before anything though:
1) Wash
2) Hawks
3) L.A.
4) Flyers
Flames as a last resort


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I think depends on who you choose to keep, it should determine the draft order?
I'm not sure what order the Draft would be in, but I think the team with the highest overall of 5 players should pick last in the order. Even then it's still a bit unfair.
Just a thought.
How do you put overall value to players in a league like this? This is no NHL09 where players have overall ranking value.

No matter how you look at it it's unfair. Why should someone get two of top 3 players before the draft? Why should some get Ovechkin, Backstrom, Semin etc and on top of that be able to draft other great players too (all of whom might be top-30 picks). If one puts up a new league then why not make it fair to everyone involded? Someone wants to have Crosby and Malkin on their team? Well they should pay a hefty price to get them and not handed out to them for free.

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definitely some good points brought up here. these are certainly the concerns i've floated around in my head.

interestingly, i was involved in a league that began with the same format. i chose pittsburgh, electing to keep malkin, crosby, gonchar, fleury, and whitney. prior to the draft, i traded malkin for ovechkin and then selected spezza with my 1st round draft pick.

so, on paper, it looked as though my team would completely dominate. however, with so many star players, my team ran tight to the salary cap and, i was unable to provide significant depth to my franchise. along with injuries (and an erratically busy schedule last year), i finished in last place.

so, there certainly is no definite.

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this discussion is certainly a good thing...

the opening format is certainly not set in stone (i.e., selecting a franchise and keeping players). and, there are a few ways we can work this out...

1. scrap the idea altogether, and just begin with a fantasy draft.

2. each gm selects a franchise from the lower-placed teams according to last years nhl standings (i.e., teams 14-30) and then keep a certain number of players.

3. gm's select a franchise and elect to keep a set amount of players. however, there are restrictions placed upon the type of players selected (i.e., one from each position, only one 90 point player, only one player with a salary above $5M...etc)

keep tossing out ideas

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so, on paper, it looked as though my team would completely dominate. however, with so many star players, my team ran tight to the salary cap and, i was unable to provide significant depth to my franchise. along with injuries (and an erratically busy schedule last year), i finished in last place.
Obviously with a salary cap things will be tough but I'd still take my chances with Malkin, Crosby and Fleury and ice a capable team around team. Would be top of the league. Btw. taking Spezza was a bad pick IMO in a salary cap world with those 5 Penguins already on your roster.

Will this be a salary cap league as well? If so I'm not that interested as I'm looking for a non-salary cap league.

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I like my idea best

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Obviously with a salary cap things will be tough but I'd still take my chances with Malkin, Crosby and Fleury and ice a capable team around team. Would be top of the league. Btw. taking Spezza was a bad pick IMO in a salary cap world with those 5 Penguins already on your roster.

Will this be a salary cap league as well? If so I'm not that interested as I'm looking for a non-salary cap league.
If there will be a cap (as I expected there would be without even thinking to ask), since there will only be 16 teams, the cap will have to change. Either players take a pay cut (which they won't be happy with), or we should have a much higher imaginary cap, since most of the players in the league will be better than average, thus earning above average NHL wages.

OR
we could just make it simple and go crazy and have none

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So papershoes, are we merging?

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Soooo, then there is a salary cap? That wasnt clear from the initial post. Would we use NHL salaries and the NHL cap?

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How do you put overall value to players in a league like this? This is no NHL09 where players have overall ranking value.

No matter how you look at it it's unfair. Why should someone get two of top 3 players before the draft? Why should some get Ovechkin, Backstrom, Semin etc and on top of that be able to draft other great players too (all of whom might be top-30 picks). If one puts up a new league then why not make it fair to everyone involded? Someone wants to have Crosby and Malkin on their team? Well they should pay a hefty price to get them and not handed out to them for free.
It was just used as an example.
You could average point per year value? Or cap hit?
Just throwing my two-cents in since this seems to be a brainstorming thread at this point.


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Soooo, then there is a salary cap? That wasnt clear from the initial post. Would we use NHL salaries and the NHL cap?
the leagues that seem to work best (that have less then the 30 nhl teams) have adjusted the salary cap accordingly.

so, if we end up having 16 teams, we could use the nhl salary cap (which will change every year) and add $15M-$20M of additional cap space each year (this number would ideally be set in stone for the duration of the league).

ex. if the nhl cap is $56M, then our cap would be $76M

as for the numbers, we would most likely use the "player cap numbers" from nhlscap.com. however, i was in a league that used each players salary amount for each year. we could put this to a vote.

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the leagues that seem to work best (that have less then the 30 nhl teams) have adjusted the salary cap accordingly.

so, if we end up having 16 teams, we could use the nhl salary cap (which will change every year) and add $15M-$20M of additional cap space each year (this number would ideally be set in stone for the duration of the league).

ex. if the nhl cap is $56M, then our cap would be $76M

as for the numbers, we would most likely use the "player cap numbers" from nhlscap.com. however, i was in a league that used each players salary amount for each year. we could put this to a vote.
That makes sense, I would be in favor of the average cap hit just for simplicity's sake.

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i'm in, i'd like phx

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i've updated the gm list and, included everyone's teams of interest (just to see how this plays out).

let's keep the sign-ups coming and, feel free to toss in some ideas / comments on league structure as well.

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the league is starting to fill up nicely - only a few more gm's and we've reached the 12 team minimum

as such, here are some more league rules i've been tossing around (feel free to comment)

league size
12-16 teams

roster size
active playing roster - 25 players (12 forwards, 6 defence, 2 goalies, and 5 bench)
prospect roster - 20 players (will expand by 5 following the first entry draft, and remain at 25 for remainder of league)

league format

yahoo -- head-to-head
*the number of teams making the playoffs will be determined by the league size

salary cap
the league will function within a salary cap structure
*salary number will be taken from the "player cap numbers" on nhlscap.com
*the league cap will be the official nhl salary cap PLUS an additional floating figure (12 teams - $20-25M; 16 teams - $15-20M...we can decide this later). this figure will remain set throughout the duration of the league

statistic categories
goals
assists
points
+/-
pim
power play points
short-handed points
game winning goals

wins
gaa
save %
shutouts

trade review
a trade review committee will be established prior to the dispersal draft
*we can iron out the details at a later date

[B]prospects[/B
*a player who has played in less then 120 nhl games, and a goalie who has played in less then 70 nhl games

entry draft
a five round entry draft will be conducted at the end of each season - ranking may be determined using a draft lottery
*we will not conduct the 2009 entry draft - as a result, all players / prospects are considered members of their drafted team (i.e., tavares on new york)

dispersal draft
**this is open for discussion and, not yet set in stone**
it seems as though we haven't run into any problems regarding the teams gm's have chosen. we could run with a couple different options...

1. scrap the idea altogether, and just begin with a fantasy draft.

2. each gm selects a franchise from the lower-placed teams according to last years nhl standings (i.e., teams 14-30) and then keep a certain number of players.

3. gm's select a franchise and elect to keep a set amount of players. however, there are restrictions placed upon the type of players selected (only one 90 point player, one defenceman, one goalie, one prospect, and one additional player)

forum will be posted once 12 teams have signed up.

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is there any age limitation with prospects or only experience?

i kind of like the idea of picking from the bottom 30 but even there i could see some inequities and whining so i will let you guys decide, i am comfortable with any arrangement there.

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league size
12-16 teams

I wanna keep it 16. No more,no less.

roster size
active playing roster - 25 players (12 forwards, 6 defence, 2 goalies, and 5 bench)
prospect roster - 20 players (will expand by 5 following the first entry draft, and remain at 25 for remainder of league)

Do we have to have 5 benched? Could we have less if we desired - For cap purposes.


league format

yahoo -- head-to-head

Explain this to the new guy

salary cap
the league will function within a salary cap structure
*salary number will be taken from the "player cap numbers" on nhlscap.com

I use Nhlnumbers.com - still good?



dispersal draft
**this is open for discussion and, not yet set in stone**
it seems as though we haven't run into any problems regarding the teams gm's have chosen. we could run with a couple different options...

1. scrap the idea altogether, and just begin with a fantasy draft.

2. each gm selects a franchise from the lower-placed teams according to last years nhl standings (i.e., teams 14-30) and then keep a certain number of players.

If we're trying to avoid the unfair teams rule, this solves nothing. For instance, LA and BUF.

3. gm's select a franchise and elect to keep a set amount of players. however, there are restrictions placed upon the type of players selected (only one 90 point player, one defenceman, one goalie, one prospect, and one additional player)

I like this idea best.

forum will be posted once 12 teams have signed up.

cheers


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idea:

Some teams definitely have an advantage over others if you let them keep 5 of their players... why not do a full dispersal draft? randomize the 16 teams, and do a snake draft.

Example: Pittsburgh could keep: Crosby, Malkin, Fleury, Gonchar, and Talbot (dunno if important) and would consistently dominate the league. It would be endless for pittsburgh to take the league since they have 2/3 of the top players in the league, nobody else could compare. While other teams have decent, but definitely not studded hockey teams either.

A full snake draft (35 rounds?) or so, top players stay on the roto team, or however many rounds to fill the rosters out could be the main thing to fill the teams. We could pre-draft before the season starts, finish up any trades that are offered, and everyone could be happen. I'm a big Mike Richards fan, but hate the flyers... i'd like a chance to grab someone like Richards on my team... but it would be nearly impossible to get the guy through trade.

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Some teams definitely have an advantage over others if you let them keep 5 of their players... why not do a full dispersal draft? randomize the 16 teams, and do a snake draft.

Example: Pittsburgh could keep: Crosby, Malkin, Fleury, Gonchar, and Talbot (dunno if important) and would consistently dominate the league. It would be endless for pittsburgh to take the league since they have 2/3 of the top players in the league, nobody else could compare. While other teams have decent, but definitely not studded hockey teams either.

A full snake draft (35 rounds?) or so, top players stay on the roto team, or however many rounds to fill the rosters out could be the main thing to fill the teams. We could pre-draft before the season starts, finish up any trades that are offered, and everyone could be happen. I'm a big Mike Richards fan, but hate the flyers... i'd like a chance to grab someone like Richards on my team... but it would be nearly impossible to get the guy through trade.
Not a bad idea.
How would we go about randomizing them?

Here's another idea: 5 is definately too much. How about we just freeze one player (maybe two at most) from our current roster? Build the team around that/those player(s). I dunno about you, but it's really hard for me to build a team without having at least one guy/guys to build it around.

(not only that, I'm hell-bent on keeping Ovechkin)

However, if we do this, the best way to set up the draft is by finding who got the (for lack of a better word) 'worst' of the players that were kept on the team.
The only problem I see here is that there would most definately be arguments about who's better than who (i.e. Timmy vs. Backstrom - or unlikely matchups like G vs. D).


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