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08-04-2009, 02:30 PM
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And I think you could get Lang for less than $3m. He stands a high risk of injury, but since Zherdev only shows up for half a season, it's a wash.
Problem with Lang and Demitra is that both had injuries which extended into the post season; and there's that risk again for this upcoming season.

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08-04-2009, 02:33 PM
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Even though if any coach could get the most out of Zherdev, I think it would be AV, I just don't think this guy is worth the chance for the money he will likely command.

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Problem with Lang and Demitra is that both had injuries which extended into the post season; and there's that risk again for this upcoming season.
Problem with Zherdev in the postseason is that he's Zherdev; zero points in seven games. And it's not like NY had a lot of other forwards that he was stuck behind.

Even if Lang and Demitra were injured, I'd hazard a bet that Grabner could do better than that on a call up.

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Breaking news: The Oilers have offered him a $50m, 10 year deal (e5).

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Breaking news: The Oilers have offered him a $50m, 10 year deal (e5).
Haha, seriously? Great news for the Canucks.

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I'd like to have him in our line-up for roughly 3M, but the bidding price that he will likely receive puts him in a price tag we just can't match. Would have been nice to see though, on a line with Hodgson or Wellwood.

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Problem with Zherdev in the postseason is that he's Zherdev; zero points in seven games..
Tough to get points when Torts plays you 12.5 minutes a game in the post-season.

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08-04-2009, 03:08 PM
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Haha, seriously? Great news for the Canucks.
Followup: Zherdev turned down the offer because he doesn't want to play in Edmonton (e5).

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08-04-2009, 03:39 PM
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Definitely if Demitra was somehow moved,d but we can't afford his liking of salary.
move Demitra, Zherdev signing for less than his arbitration salary, or ... is a buyout of Demitra still possible (not sure when the CBA allows for that)?

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Well, I'd rather have Lang at center and Kesler at wing, than Kesler at center and Zherdev at wing. And I think you could get Lang for less than $3m. He stands a high risk of injury, but since Zherdev only shows up for half a season, it's a wash.

Kesler just looked so much better at wing. Some people attribute that to Sundin. I don't.
Yeah, I think there are positives with each. Lang brings experience and plays a position where the Canucks could look for an upgrade. What I like about Zherdev is that at $3-4 million he's pretty much a sure thing to perform to that level of pay and a decent bet to outperform his contract. I don't think a guy like Lang has that upside.

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Tough to get points when Torts plays you 12.5 minutes a game in the post-season.
Yeah, that's what I was going to mention. After Tortorella took over Zherdev went from a fixture on the team's offense to a player that struggled to put up points. Maybe it's just coincidence at he was trailing down already, but he only put up 13 points in 28 games with Tortorella behind the bench after scoring 45 in 61 games under Renney (and even that looks generous because he scored 6 points in Tortorella's first 7 games behind the bench). Maybe he just needs a change in scenery.

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Followup: Zherdev turned down the offer because he doesn't want to play in Edmonton (e5).
I heard he signed for 1yr 2mil in Calgary instead.

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What am I missing when I think that Demitra's 53 points in 69 games at $4 million isn't Godawful and Zherdev's 58 points in 82 games at $4+ million isn't amazing?

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What am I missing when I think that Demitra's 53 points in 69 games at $4 million isn't Godawful and Zherdev's 58 points in 82 games at $4+ million isn't amazing?
Not to mention the advantages of having a player with only one year left on his contract. Demitra leaving will free up the room we need to sign Kesler. Why would anyone want to replace one year of Demitra with several years of Zherdev, especially when the latter could very well completely ruin the locker room. It's puzzling.

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What am I missing when I think that Demitra's 53 points in 69 games at $4 million isn't Godawful and Zherdev's 58 points in 82 games at $4+ million isn't amazing?
Demitra's 50+ points is his *ceiling* given the stage at which his career is at.

Zherdev is 24 years old and has put up roughly 60 point seasons in two consecutive years. 60 points is probably his "floor".

That's the difference.

(and I wouldn't offer Zherdev a much more than $4 million).

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Demitra's 50+ points is his *ceiling* given the stage at which his career is at.

Zherdev is 24 years old and has put up roughly 60 point seasons in two consecutive years. 60 points is probably his "floor".

That's the difference.

(and I wouldn't offer Zherdev a much more than $4 million).
What will we do next season if cap goes down or even stays the same, but we need to sign Mitchell, Kesler, and Luongo?

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Zherdev has 365 NHL games to his resume now and a notorious lack of effort. I don't think he has much development left.

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What will we do next season if cap goes down or even stays the same, but we need to sign Mitchell, Kesler, and Luongo?
I'm thinking Zherdev will want a one-year deal to try and establish some value. He'll have seven accrued seasons after this year anyway so he'll be a UFA once again next summer, so he can use this season to try and earn himself a more lucrative deal next year.

I'm guessing that nobody wanted him at $3.9 million on a one-year deal or else the Rangers would have likely traded him so I'm thinking he probably won't find anything in that range on the market anyway.

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Zherdev has 365 NHL games to his resume now and a notorious lack of effort. I don't think he has much development left.
He's 24 years old. Think it's a bit too soon to write him off as a "bust" (a "bust" who'll put up more points than Demitra).

Now if he (Zherdev) is looking for a long-term deal closer to $5 million - then of course I'll pass. A short one-year deal (as pitseleh mentioned above) would be what I'm suggesting.

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He's 24 years old. Think it's a bit too soon to write him off as a "bust" (a "bust" who'll put up more points than Demitra).
At the moment there's a clear lack of effort on his part, not to mention attitude issues. Demitra is a positive influence on our young players and team overall, why would we want to replace him with a potential cancer?

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At the moment there's a clear lack of effort on his part, not to mention attitude issues. Demitra is a positive influence on our young players and team overall, why would we want to replace him with a potential cancer?
How is Demitra a positive influence? He's more of a "neutral" influence at best. Either he's hurt or he goes thru periods of disappearing acts on the ice. Was doing nothing offensively when he was off the Sedin line (until Kesler started to carry the 2nd line by himself).


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He's 24 years old. Think it's a bit too soon to write him off as a "bust" (a "bust" who'll put up more points than Demitra).

Now if he (Zherdev) is looking for a long-term deal closer to $5 million - then of course I'll pass. A short one-year deal (as pitseleh mentioned above) would be what I'm suggesting.
I didn't say bust?

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What am I missing when I think that Demitra's 53 points in 69 games at $4 million isn't Godawful and Zherdev's 58 points in 82 games at $4+ million isn't amazing?
Indeed. Zherdev would not be an upgrade on Demitra, more like a younger sidegrade.

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The Canucks really need a puck moving defenceman. Last I heard, Zherdev wasn't one of those.

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Indeed. Zherdev would not be an upgrade on Demitra, more like a younger sidegrade.
Agreed. We replaced Naslund with Demitra and now people want to replace Demitra with Zherdev?

Why not try something a bit different in our top 6? Go a different direction for a while.

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