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08-05-2009, 05:18 PM
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I checked the Chicago forum and they were not happy with it any more then they said this would work
Sharp, Campbell 2nd

Ranger, Mazaros 5th
I dont know what this would do to the sallary cap
I would say no to this. Mesz is our #1 defenseman right now (because of age and so on) IMO. So I dont see this as a good offer

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Campbell has negative value. I would never take him.

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He has never played a complete season and seems to have a nagging shoulder injury. I didn't specify his point production. His decision making is poor and he likes the stick check way too much (probably because of the shoulder).

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08-05-2009, 05:44 PM
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Disagree completely. Besides last year (half year) he played the previous 2 seasons 72 games and hovered at 30 points. Thats not disappointing, especially considering he kept the pace on not only a bad team, but with a ****ed up shoulder.
His point totals are fine. His decision making is poor, however. He loves the stick check a bit too much for my taste, but that may be a result of his recurring shoulder injury.

As for that trade involving Mesz, I simply say no.

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08-05-2009, 05:59 PM
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I checked the Chicago forum and they were not happy with it any more then they said this would work
Sharp, Campbell 2nd

Ranger, Mazaros 5th
I dont know what this would do to the sallary cap
Wed add almost 6m in salary, and get less value. No way in hell do I even consider this.

I counter:

get Sharp

get Ranger, Lundin OR Ranger, 2nd 2011, and 3rd 2010

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08-05-2009, 06:19 PM
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Lol if we wanted a 6-7m dollar dman that wad great offensively but horrible defensively we would have kept the better one in Boyle.

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08-05-2009, 06:28 PM
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His point totals are fine. His decision making is poor, however. He loves the stick check a bit too much for my taste, but that may be a result of his recurring shoulder injury.

As for that trade involving Mesz, I simply say no.
I will agree he doesnt take the body enough, but could that be because of the shoulder problems he has had for 2 seasons? And come on how can you not like the sliding poke check from his knees

What you are forgetting is he has been playing above his head for the past 2 seasons, while injured. That isnt going to help your decision making, your points or your health. He has had months to recover and rehab, he will be on a team where he can afford to miss a game due to defensive depth and has much more talent on defense to take some minutes from him.

I think this season will be a great season for Ranger, the only downside being he becomes an RFA at the end of it. But still I can see him hitting at least 30 points and becoming the solid top pairing dman we need him to be. Provided he doesnt get taken out by Malkin or the like, ala Meszaros/Heward last season.

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08-05-2009, 06:55 PM
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haha, Campbell for both Ranger and Meszaros? Yeah, I don't ****ing think so.

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I checked the Chicago forum and they were not happy with it any more then they said this would work
Sharp, Campbell 2nd

Ranger, Mazaros 5th
I dont know what this would do to the sallary cap
Worst deal ever for Blackhawks! Chicago would never do something like that! It would be pretty sweet for tampa though!

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News flash: No one wants Campbell and his terrible contract.
yeah...$7.14 Mill....thanks but no thanks

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A horrible contract is hardly getting Campbell for free.

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Its not looking good on the chicago forum they don't want to trade Sharp but there saying when Hossa is back they would trade Virsteeg For Ranger and pick. these are his rookie stats from last year.
78 games 15 goals 31 assists 53 points

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Its not looking good on the chicago forum they don't want to trade Sharp but there saying when Hossa is back they would trade Virsteeg For Ranger and pick. these are his rookie stats from last year.
78 games 15 goals 31 assists 53 points
Pass on that, too. Want a little more of a sure thing for a top 4 on a sweet ass contract and a pick.

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Its not looking good on the chicago forum they don't want to trade Sharp but there saying when Hossa is back they would trade Virsteeg For Ranger and pick. these are his rookie stats from last year.
78 games 15 goals 31 assists 53 points
Those numbers add up to 46 not 53

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Those numbers add up to 46 not 53
He's a Canadian player....you have to figure in the exchange rate!

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He's a Canadian player....you have to figure in the exchange rate!
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Its not looking good on the chicago forum they don't want to trade Sharp but there saying when Hossa is back they would trade Virsteeg For Ranger and pick. these are his rookie stats from last year.
78 games 15 goals 31 assists 53 points
I would love Versteeg, don't konw if I want to give up Ranger for him, but he would be an excellent addition.

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08-10-2009, 11:27 AM
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Victor Hedman / Mattias Ohlund
Kurtis Foster / Andrej Meszaros
Matt Walker / Matt Smaby
Matt Lashoff /
Hedman - rookie
Meszaros - returning from an injury that required surgery
Foster - returning from an injury that required surgery
Smaby - returning from a serious foot injury although he was able to play
Matt Walker - has yet to play all 82 games in a season

Ranger has been repeatedly injured himself, but with everything above, I think Lawton is wise to consider carrying 8 quality defensemen. Patrick Sharp does have some nice seasons recently, but at least one of those was playing on a line with Toews and Kane? Ranger has shown promise since he was a rookie, but he's been forced into a role and quantity of minutes that he wasn't ready for. I think this year he will get back on track. I think he would be great next to Ohlund - he can help mentor Ranger as well as Hedman, and Ranger has the skating ability to back up Ohlund if anyone ever does get behind him.

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08-14-2009, 12:16 PM
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Campbell > Mes

Sharp >>> Ranger

Campbells contract is bad but he is a far better player than Mesaroz. Id say the blackhawks reject a deal in a second unless they are getting Tb's first plus another top prospect as there is no point getting 2 worse players in a deal

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Campbell > Mes

Sharp >>> Ranger

Campbells contract is bad but he is a far better player than Mesaroz. Id say the blackhawks reject a deal in a second unless they are getting Tb's first plus another top prospect as there is no point getting 2 worse players in a deal
there's one.

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Campbell has negative value anyway. I'd rather have kept Dan Boyle if we were going to trade for his twin with an even worse contract.
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Campbell > Mes

Sharp >>> Ranger

Campbells contract is bad but he is a far better player than Mesaroz. Id say the blackhawks reject a deal in a second unless they are getting Tb's first plus another top prospect as there is no point getting 2 worse players in a deal
Bahahaha, yeah, alright.

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Not to mention Campbell is worse defensively.

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Campbell > Mes

Sharp >>> Ranger

Campbells contract is bad but he is a far better player than Mesaroz. Id say the blackhawks reject a deal in a second unless they are getting Tb's first plus another top prospect as there is no point getting 2 worse players in a deal
You missed the

Sure Campell is better than Meszaros but $4.5 million till he is in his late 20s is a hell of a lot better than $7.14 million till forever. Tampa says no just because of that.

So to take on so much salary and take away your cap worries you want our 2 best dmen? With a total cap hit of just $5.5 million and then we also give you our 1st next year (god knows where that is going to be) and prospect??

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I checked the Chicago forum and they were not happy with it any more then they said this would work
Sharp, Campbell 2nd

Ranger, Mazaros 5th
I dont know what this would do to the sallary cap

These are two teams that can go far this season. And might be happy with their current situation. Both Meszaros and Ranger for Sharp and Campbell is way too much especially when Campbell comes with a price tag of seven years at 7.14 million.

Blackhawks are soon in a position to try to sign both Keith, Toewes and Kane for the 10-11 season and on. Let them become desperate before we even begin to discuss Campbell...a right winger from Chicago for our second line is always interresting. And one of our many prospects plus others on defense will surprise...


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These are two teams that can go far this season. And might be happy with their current situation. Both Meszaros and Ranger for Sharp and Campbell is way too much especially when Campbell comes with a price tag of seven years at 7.14 million.

Blackhawks are soon in a position to try to sign both Keith, Toewes and Kane for the 10-11 season and on. Let them become desperate before we even begin to discuss Campbell...a right winger from Chicago for our second line is always interresting. And one of our many prospects plus others on defense will surprise...
Let them not even bother talking about Campbell - no use for him or the contract.

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