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Horcoff+Nilsson for Nylander+Steckel

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08-05-2009, 08:12 PM
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Horcoff is ten times the player Nylander is. The only thing this accomplishes for the Oilers is to move them into lottery pick country.

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08-05-2009, 08:13 PM
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Horcoff is ten times the player Nylander is. The only thing this accomplishes for the Oilers is to move them into lottery pick country.
Hey, it's better than finishing 9th-12th every year!

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08-05-2009, 08:16 PM
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Horcoff has like 5 years left on his contract, Nylander has 1.
Horcoff has six, Nylander two. Horcoff has six years of NTC, Nylander one more year of NMC.

Nylander is a useless player and Horcoff a valuable player, but not to the tune of $5.5M/yr. He had one 70+ point season, and has been a 25-50 point player aside from that one year in his career.

Career points: 53, 50, 51, 73, lockout, 40, 33, 22. Nice player, but those career point totals are inconsistent with that contract.

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08-05-2009, 08:59 PM
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Jesus ****ing Christ no. Horcoff is the last player I want on the caps, ever. Watching him hold back talented forwards in Edmonton while getting paid Getzlaf money makes me die a little inside.

Edmonton takes this and runs for the hills.

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08-05-2009, 09:02 PM
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Horrible for the Oilers.

Horcoff is overpaid, but he's a second line center at worst. Nylander is a third line center at best.

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08-05-2009, 09:05 PM
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Horcoff has six, Nylander two. Horcoff has six years of NTC, Nylander one more year of NMC.

Nylander is a useless player and Horcoff a valuable player, but not to the tune of $5.5M/yr. He had one 70+ point season, and has been a 25-50 point player aside from that one year in his career.

Career points: 53, 50, 51, 73, lockout, 40, 33, 22. Nice player, but those career point totals are inconsistent with that contract.
That was the year he was signed to the deal and the 50 points (21 G) came in 53 games, so I'd say he's had 2 good seasons. Inconsistent? Yes. Overpaid? Yes. But not as bad as people imply. If he were making 4.5 while having a season like last year (and he actually made 3.6) there wouldn't be nearly as much moaning about Horc from the (so-called) Oiler faithful. 65+ points is my magic number for getting value from him. He is one of the hardest workers in the NHL and I think he'll bounce back next year and we can put to rest the daily Horc proposals.

However, I totally agree with Caps fans, there is no way (even if you could guarantee Horc would be 65pts+) they could take a contract like that with budding stars Semin and Backstrom needing to re-up in a year (with a dropping cap).

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08-05-2009, 09:06 PM
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Jesus ****ing Christ no. Horcoff is the last player I want on the caps, ever. Watching him hold back talented forwards in Edmonton while getting paid Getzlaf money makes me die a little inside.

Edmonton takes this and runs for the hills.

Horcoff does not hold back talented forwards he is overpaid for what he is an extremely good two way player that can play on the first line but no chance does he hold back player on Edmonton.

Edmonton does not do this deal Horcoff while being maligned on these boards is a useful player and i bet both the GM of the oilers and the coaches see it this way. Nylander adds nothing to this team horcoff doesn't already bring.

This deal isn't done by either team!

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Jesus ****ing Christ no. Horcoff is the last player I want on the caps, ever. Watching him hold back talented forwards in Edmonton while getting paid Getzlaf money makes me die a little inside.

Edmonton takes this and runs for the hills.
I am not even a fan of Horcoff, but you are so wrong here it's not even funny. Horcoff would be one of the leagues best second line centers, although I agree his contract is a freaken joke.









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08-05-2009, 09:08 PM
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1: Nylander has a NTC
2: Nylander hasn't been able to do anything right since he played in NY on the same line as Jagr
3: Nylander's wife prevented Nylander from signing with Edmonton when he was a UFA, think she's changed her mind so quickly?
Not that this trade gets made by either team, but Nylander has stated that he didn't sign in Edmonton because he had more friends in Washington at the time, and that he would play there if traded.

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08-05-2009, 09:10 PM
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Horrible for the Oilers.

Horcoff is overpaid, but he's a second line center at worst. Nylander is a third line center at best.
That's not likely true for Nylander. There's no reason he couldn't put up decent 2nd line center numbers if things went reasonably well for him (fit the system better than he does now, got some PP time, etc.)

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08-05-2009, 09:29 PM
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I think Horcoff's contract is too long and too much. But switch him and Nylander last year and my belief is the Capitals get past Pittsburgh in the playoffs.

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08-05-2009, 09:35 PM
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Oilers say no in a heartbeat.

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Oh dear god no they don't. I'd rather have Nylander than Horcoff.
are you high? Horcoff is overpaid but saying that you would rather have Nylander over Horcoff is just ridiculous.

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are you high? Horcoff is overpaid but saying that you would rather have Nylander over Horcoff is just ridiculous.
Horcoff is the better player, but I'd rather have Nylander and his contract then Horcoff and his.

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Horcoff: 6 years, 5.5 mil cap hit

Nylander: 2 years, 4.875 cap hit


Yeah, Nylander please.
youre a goof. Horcoff would help you 10 fold in the playoffs as a second line center. key faceoffs, excellent PKer, guts, hard ass worker. whatever. keep Mr. Soft Serve Turd and hope he can return to no form when he played with Jagr. dudes toast.

the Caps need some major vet help and people who can help structure their overall game or theyre going NOWHERE.
i wouldnt do the trade anyhow. Steckel isnt worth Horcoff and Nylander is just a "waiting for him to die" contract thrown in.

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08-05-2009, 10:24 PM
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I think Horcoff's contract is too long and too much. But switch him and Nylander last year and my belief is the Capitals get past Pittsburgh in the playoffs.
That may well be a fair assessment. I like an awful lot of things about Horcoff; I just hate the contract.

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are you high? Horcoff is overpaid but saying that you would rather have Nylander over Horcoff is just ridiculous.
Did you read the thread? The Caps can be rid of Nylander in a year. Horcoff is around for a loooooong time. Giant pass. Horcoff may be a better but has a far FAR worse contract.

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Did you read the thread? The Caps can be rid of Nylander in a year. Horcoff is around for a loooooong time. Giant pass. Horcoff may be a better but has a far FAR worse contract.
Exactly....boat anchor contract that doesn't end for a long time. Nyls is off the Caps salary cap next year, be it through buyout or demotion to the AHL. Horcoff just isn't even close to worth his contract.

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08-06-2009, 08:26 AM
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youre a goof. Horcoff would help you 10 fold in the playoffs as a second line center. key faceoffs, excellent PKer, guts, hard ass worker. whatever. keep Mr. Soft Serve Turd and hope he can return to no form when he played with Jagr. dudes toast.

the Caps need some major vet help and people who can help structure their overall game or theyre going NOWHERE.
i wouldnt do the trade anyhow. Steckel isnt worth Horcoff and Nylander is just a "waiting for him to die" contract thrown in.
You just described Steckel and/or Laich.

I'll reiterate: 6 years, 5.5 mil. If he's not going to be a big contributor offensively (and for that salary he should be a 60 point guy, shouldn't he?) then a 6 year deal is nothing but an anchor. I like his game, and if he had two years left I'd do the swap in a heartbeat. But at this point it's no contest.

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08-06-2009, 09:00 AM
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Both Horcoff and Nylander have negative value...i.e. you can sign better players from the UFA market.

Nylander is a total loss for one year. Horcoff is a little bit better but he has long term negative impact.

Pick your poison.

Steckel is useful but he is a dime a dozen. Nilsson has some potential but he may be useless

Again pick your poison


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Both Horcoff and Nylander have negative value...i.e. you can sign better players from the UFA market.

Nylander is a total loss for one year. Horcoff is a little bit better but he has long term negative impact.

Pick your poison.

Steckel is useful but he is a dime a dozen. Nilsson has some potential but he may be useless

Again pick your poison

Agree with most of your post...except the dime a dozen line about Steckel.

Sure...he's a bottom six player....but he's turned himself into a very dependable 3rd line center...and a top 5 faceoff winning guy in the NHL. At only 725k...he's got a great contract for what he provides.

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Steckel fills a nice defensive forward niche and he costs very little, which is a necessary component of any roster that includes a superstar under a salary cap system. Steckel also played very well in the playoffs. Not an impact player, Steckel nonetheless has size, knows his role and is effective.

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Steckel fills a nice defensive forward niche and he costs very little, which is a necessary component of any roster that includes a superstar under a salary cap system. Steckel also played very well in the playoffs.
I'm actually starting to worry a bit about his next contract...if he gets one here...which I hope he will.

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I think if you forget about contracts and just look at the players for a second, Washington destroys Edmonton in this deal. Even without the salary cap, Edmonton never does this as it takes away their best center and doesn't replace him.

However, the cap hits are important in the salary cap era, so this trade works even less. Washington gets better immediately, but it would hurt them in the near future, and Edmonton gets worse immediately only to make room under their salary cap for who exactly? It's not like they are spending that money on anyone else anyway.

Just not a trade that makes much sense in terms of value, money, or needs.

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