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08-06-2009, 04:10 PM
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Where in the world do you people get your ideas from? 13 years in the league and 23 fights total. Bertuzzi is not a fight at all. The mos he ever had was 3 in a year. Hated yes fighter not a chance

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08-06-2009, 06:01 PM
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Where in the world do you people get your ideas from? 13 years in the league and 23 fights total. Bertuzzi is not a fight at all. The mos he ever had was 3 in a year. Hated yes fighter not a chance
He isn't fighter, but he doesn't back down from fight. He is a big man who can use his size. You don't have to fight to be tough. Look at the Caps they literally smacked us around last year in the playoffs and how many fighters did they have on there team besides Donald.

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08-06-2009, 08:37 PM
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I 100% agree you don't need to fight to be tough. Bert is dirty not tuff. If you want that then go for it I would pass he is a dirt bag. We have Sean and Donald and Torts in that roll already

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08-07-2009, 11:49 AM
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One thing I am looking forward to is for everyone on the 4th line to be able to drop the gloves. Brashear is obviously the best but Boyle and Byers can both fight and are pretty good at it as well as bring some good size. I feel that is something that has been missing the last few years, all of the fighting duties have always just been with Orr, this year I expect to see quite a few different players fighting which will help the the energy level.
Jason Strudwick, Ryan Hollweg, Sean Avery, and many others say hi.

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08-07-2009, 11:52 AM
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Wrong. I love the Rangers but I also love hockey and neither of these pieces of trash deserve to be in the league. Brashear and Bertuzzi belong in Columbus or even better, the ECHL. I don't care what they do or who they play for. I will never cheer for them.
I wonder if you cheered for Ulf Sameulsson when he was a ranger. Plenty of other cases. Bertuzzi's incident with Moore is over the top, but when has Brashear threatened anyones career really? This is Ice Hockey, not women's FIeld Hockey.

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08-07-2009, 11:56 AM
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Yes he does fight and he can fit on either wing on the fourth line and if he plays well enough, the 3rd line where Lisin sits on the 4th line where he can essentially be a PP specialist.
lol he fights about as often as Brendan Shanahan did for us. Being willing when the time really calls for it and actually fighting often are two different things.

You add Bertuzzi and this team starts looking like a Flyers model team. How many cups have they won again...?

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08-07-2009, 11:59 AM
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But that is what I am talking about. I am not saying they are heavyweights, more willing participants. It adds a new dimension because Betts and Sjostrom did not fight ever.
the 4th line is going to play like 4 minutes a game, its not some amazing new dimension. Orr was on the ice the same time as Jason Strudwick and Paul Mara plenty of times in his time here. Hollweg was his line partner longer than Sjostrom if I'm not mistaken. Voros played on the 4th line a bit last season when Torts came in. All that meant was that if a fight needed to happen, players could chicken out against Orr and go fight a middleweight, often times a bad middleweight. Yeah, some great dimension that was

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08-07-2009, 12:01 PM
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I like the idea of Bertz on the Rangers. He can play on a number of lines and at the right price can workout really well. He'd be much more effective then Voros and on night where we don't need a pure pugilist, he and voros on a line together while Brashear sits, would work well too.

When AO starts running around and getting over zealous with his late hits or Sid's cheap shots, Prongers all out dirty play, who better to sick after them or to have as a strategic deterrent then Bertuzzi. Heck, I'd be afraid of retaliation from the guy, he do something foolish and end my career.

With Avery drawing the attention, Bertuzzi clobbering when they're not looking and Brashear flattening anyone who doesn't like it, the Rangers would have all the tools to compete against a physical team and draw all the attention away from the guys who need to score.
you pretty much just described the reason we brought Brashear in. And to me, they're pretty much the same player at this point. Bertuzzi isn't going to score many points anymore, and while he gets the edge in that department Brashear gets the obvious edge when it comes to fighting. You forget that unlike Orr, Brashear can actually skate and hit.

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I would love that!!! Fight night back at the Garden.
more like the circus. It'd be just like the days of Fleury, McCarthy, Barnaby, etc.

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08-07-2009, 12:36 PM
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I think of all the new players, besides the Gaborik hoop-la...

I am really excited about Higgins.

I think hes going to turn into a fan favorite here and I think when a lot of posters fill out their lineups or talk about the offense they forget to mention him or realize that he does a lot of good things out there. Hes a solid player that will fit nicely into what Tortorella wants to do here.
Higgins reminds me a lot of Callahan with less speed and more skill. I honestly see him being a 20-30 goal 50-60 point player who plays in all different game situations. Chris is from Smithtown, which is like 15 minutes from me, and from what's he said, he couldn't be happier to be close to home. I think we're gonna see a very happy and motivated Chris Higgins this year, and that could lead to some good numbers.

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Meh. No Thanks. I dont think Bertuzzi fits into what the Rangers want to do here. They need skaters. Bertuzzi is not a skater.
While I agree, this team is generally small up front, and they could use some sandpaper. Bertuzzi won't ever get back to that 40 goal 90 point form from 02 and 03, but I still think he can put up 20 goals and maybe 50-60 points in the right situation and be a top-9 forward.

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Besides. I think the forwards are set and we dont have as much cap room as you think. The money should be used to sign Dubi and get another defenseman in here. Despite the great pool of D prospects, we have to sure up the backend a little more because right now if there is an injury (god forbid) to any of the top 4 NHL d'men, you are looking at 3 rookies in the lineup and another as the 7th. Most likely one of those pairs will be comprised of 2 rookies. Not good.
Sign Dubinsky and bring in McLaren for cheap. The team needs sandpaper on defense.

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Call me crazy, but I think if Bertuzzi could be had for 1 year, 1.5 million, you have to at least look into it.

Besides Anisimov, I dont think any of our other young forwards (Grachev) are ready for the prime-time yet, and Im not sold on Enver Lisin at all.
I agree, not only that, but the team needs size up front.

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HELL YES! I've wanted to see this kid in a Ranger's for years, way back to just being a prospect for Montreal. The talk is going to be how do we find the cap space to sign him long term.

He was unfairly treated in Montreal and the critics in NY won't like his dry spells that all goal scorers go through, but this kid can finish!
That's the thing that worries me about Chris. He's going to have his family coming to a lot of games, if not all of the home games. That combined with playing in a big stage like NY, he could go out there trying too hard to produce, and hit some slumps here and there. Dealing with us is not exactly fun during those times. Ask Nedved, Poti, Malik, Rozy, you name it.

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Bertuzzi at this stage of his career is 3rd line and below. He had some good spurts last season but he takes a ton of ridiculously stupid and untimely penalties, and I don't know if he would be a final piece per say.

With Avery and Brashear and Dubinsky moving up the ranks, we have enough agitators on this team already.

I just hope he stays out of the conference, contrary to reports
Bertuzzi wouldn't be a final piece, he'd be a compliment.

I'm not going to totally endorse him because I know what his flaws are at this point, but if signed for cheap, he could be a good addition to this team.

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I wonder if you cheered for Ulf Sameulsson when he was a ranger. Plenty of other cases. Bertuzzi's incident with Moore is over the top, but when has Brashear threatened anyones career really? This is Ice Hockey, not women's FIeld Hockey.
I'd say a cracked orbital bone is a career threatening injury.

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more like the circus. It'd be just like the days of Fleury, McCarthy, Barnaby, etc.
Or with Domi, Kocur, Beukeboom, King, etc...

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08-07-2009, 01:46 PM
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Jason Strudwick, Ryan Hollweg, Sean Avery, and many others say hi.
So last year where were they? Avery was here for about 20 games. Hollweg wasnt even in the NHL and he pretty much never fought. Struds was never in the lineup.

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the 4th line is going to play like 4 minutes a game, its not some amazing new dimension. Orr was on the ice the same time as Jason Strudwick and Paul Mara plenty of times in his time here. Hollweg was his line partner longer than Sjostrom if I'm not mistaken. Voros played on the 4th line a bit last season when Torts came in. All that meant was that if a fight needed to happen, players could chicken out against Orr and go fight a middleweight, often times a bad middleweight. Yeah, some great dimension that was
Middleweights go after middleweights. Why would someone like David Clarkson fight Orr? That makes no sense.

Boyle and Byers are better players than Voros and he played about 10 games on the 4th line. Teamwide toughness is a nice new dimension, if you dont see it, I am not really worried about it.

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brashear....avery.........bertuzzi

thats a full period of penalty minutes per game if all are dressed

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08-18-2009, 02:16 PM
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Didn't see it posted anywhere, so I thought I'd mention it here: Bert signed with the Wings for $1.5MM. http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=4407343

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Good, we can put this to bed now.

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