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08-06-2009, 09:42 AM
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Matt Schneider

Ok, I'm ready to pull out the red carpet for this guy.

The Rangers need a defenseman before a guy like Bertuzzi should even come into play.

My biggest concerns are obviously his age and injury problems, but if you can structure a contract correctly for him you really don't have to break the bank, and you're getting a guy that has everything the Rangers need right now on defense.

He instantly improves the PP with his decisiveness on the point, something the Rangers have sorely lacked the past few seasons. He has a little jam to his game and has won a cup. He has the experience factor and can help mentor the young offensive potential some of our prospects have.

He's played in New York (born here in fact) and if hes willing to come back, he knows whats it like here so its not a huge transition.

It would make sense to at least entertain the idea.

Note: didnt see any thread on this subject and saw some talk so i figured id make one.


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08-06-2009, 09:45 AM
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Depends what his asking price is. And yeah, I agree, I'd add him over Bertuzzi also.

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Ok, I'm ready to pull out the red carpet for this guy.

The Rangers need a defenseman before a guy like Bertuzzi should even come into play.

My biggest concerns are obviously his age and injury problems, but if you can structure a contract correctly for him you really don't have to break the bank, and you're getting a guy that has everything the Rangers need right now on defense.

He instantly improves the PP with his decisiveness on the point, something the Rangers have sorely lacked the past few seasons. He has a little jam to his game and has won cups. He has the experience factor and can help mentor the young offensive potential some of out prospects have.

He's played in New York (born here in fact) and if hes willing to come back, he knows whats it like here so its not a huge transition.

It would make sense to at least entertain the idea.

Note: didnt see any thread on this subject and saw some talk so i figured id make one.
He'd fit the bill if he came cheap. Stick him on the third pair, can add some much needed direction to the powerplay, avoids throwing 2 rookie defensemen into the fire.

Ive read some concerning reports on his shoulder, however.

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08-06-2009, 09:50 AM
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anton babchuk.

that is all i want at d.

then move rozy and dubi for a centerman with wheels.

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He's an OK PP specialist who's bad at everything else

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He's an OK PP specialist who's bad at everything else

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Given whats out there, who would you go after?

The Rangers need another defenseman.

Chelios? Bergeron? Babchuk? someone else not mentioned 500 times already?

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Before he was traded to Montreal, Schneider did a fantastic job mentoring Zach Bogosian in Atlanta last year. They even roomed with each other on the road. Bogosian's development picked up tremendously after Schneider was dealt and he attributed that to Schneider's tutelage.

Considering that Gilroy/Sanguinetti/Del Zotto are our PP QB's of the future, I feel that this would be an ideal fit on a one-year deal (depending on price, of course!) Granted, Sauer, Potter and Heikkenan are options to make the team also, but Schneider would benefit the young offensive d-core more.

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He'd fit the bill if he came cheap. Stick him on the third pair, can add some much needed direction to the powerplay, avoids throwing 2 rookie defensemen into the fire.

Ive read some concerning reports on his shoulder, however.
Where did you see those? Thats the big question...

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08-06-2009, 10:15 AM
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Before he was traded to Montreal, Schneider did a fantastic job mentoring Zach Bogosian in Atlanta last year. They even roomed with each other on the road. Bogosian's development picked up tremendously after Schneider was dealt and he attributed that to Schneider's tutelage.

Considering that Gilroy/Sanguinetti/Del Zotto are our PP QB's of the future, I feel that this would be an ideal fit on a one-year deal (depending on price, of course!) Granted, Sauer, Potter and Heikkenan are options to make the team also, but Schneider would benefit the young offensive d-core more.
exactly what I was thinking with Schneider. Him on a 1 year deal wouldn't be bad at all b/c he is a great mentor.

If he goes for a #5 or6 dman I would go with Shneider. If we just want a vet dman as a #7 insurance I would go for Cheli

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Sather let him go in the 00-01 Expansion draft when he wanted to stay, and I'm not sure if there are bitter feelings from Schneider's side or not, but if he wants to come back and is willing to not break the bank, I'm down with it. Redden and Rozsival certainly aren't going to man the power play like he can.

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I was ok to welcome Zubov for one year, so I'm not against this move as well. But I'd still more like to see our young guys breaking the team.

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As much as I would like to see Sanguinetti/Del Zotto/Sauer make the team, this would help in the short run. 1 year, 1.7-2.1 mil we could fit I think.

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I was ok to welcome Zubov for one year, so I'm not against this move as well. But I'd still more like to see our young guys breaking the team.
I was for Zubov too, but thats gone now.

Its great to have youngens in the lineup but its a little different on defense IMO.

Currently constructed, if this team has an injury to any of the top 4 NHL defensemen (god forbid) then you are icing 3 rookies with one as the 7th. Thats 4 rookies and most likely a bottom pair of 2 rookies. Thats tough to swallow for me.

Especially when that 4th rookie in the 7th slot should be getting minutes down in Hartford instead.

I think we will definitely see another NHL ready defenseman (or 2) come into the fold before camp, if not signed maybe on a tryout basis.

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You have got to be kidding. Bergeron is a turnstile on defense.

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I was for Zubov too, but thats gone now.

Its great to have youngens in the lineup but its a little different on defense IMO.

Currently constructed, if this team has an injury to any of the top 4 NHL defensemen (god forbid) then you are icing 3 rookies with one as the 7th. Thats 4 rookies and most likely a bottom pair of 2 rookies. Thats tough to swallow for me.

Especially when that 4th rookie in the 7th slot should be getting minutes down in Hartford instead.

I think we will definitely see another NHL ready defenseman (or 2) come into the fold before camp, if not signed maybe on a tryout basis.

Yeah I know we can't messed up on defence, an experienced Dman will help, but personally, a vet as 7th Dman would be enough. Presuming we start the season with Rozsi, Redden, Girardi and Staal at our Top 4, carrying 2 rookies isn't so crazy imo if you have a 7th guy ready to back them up. I don't like the idea of a 7th man rookie as well, better to see him piling up minutes in the A.

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One of the reasons that I like bringing Schneider back is that he won't play 82 games and that will open up some space for younger player development. Let's assume you start with Rozy-Redden-Staal-Girardi-Gilroy-Schneider and another young defenseman as the 7th. As Gilroy (hopefully) steps up, Schneider gets some nights off. Injuries to others will happen (in fact the Rangers have been pretty fortunate with injuries for the last few years) and that will allow other players to be broken into the lineup. I don't see a lot of downside here. And I expect his base salary won't be much more that any other defenseman (other than Potter)

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Yeah I know we can't messed up on defence, an experienced Dman will help, but personally, a vet as 7th Dman would be enough. Presuming we start the season with Rozsi, Redden, Girardi and Staal at our Top 4, carrying 2 rookies isn't so crazy imo if you have a 7th guy ready to back them up. I don't like the idea of a 7th man rookie as well, better to see him piling up minutes in the A.
that's what I think as well. We don't NEED a vet 5 or 6. Would it be nice to have one? yes.

but we NEED a vet for at least the #7. That's why I think Cheli would be great. Maybe bouillon?

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I would like Schneider if Rozsival or Redden werent on the team but if you are just worried about having 3 rookies in the lineup why not go out and get a verteran 6th/7th d-man who can sit for a little while and play in case of some short term injuries. If there is a long-term injury Sather can make a smaller trade to get. Most bottom pairing d-man come pretty cheaply and sometimes can just be picked up off waivers.

I would rather go after Bouillon as the 6th/7th d-man and let the young d-men play as they get more comfortable. I just feel Schneider may not okay with having a player like Potter(who I think should be on the team) play over him once the middle of the season comes.

There is no point in having defensive depth in the organization if you arent willing to use it. Are we going to keep saying the Rangers can only have 1 rookie d-man for the next 3-4 years? Because if so, Sanguinetti, MDZ, Mcdonagh, Valentenko, Dowzak, Kudratek, Sauer, Potter, Gilroy and Williams will be waiting forever to get a shot in the NHL. If one doesnt work out then move onto the next one but not giving these young guys a chance is jut silly after everything the organization has invested to get them to be pretty much NHL ready.

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that's what I think as well. We don't NEED a vet 5 or 6. Would it be nice to have one? yes.

but we NEED a vet for at least the #7. That's why I think Cheli would be great. Maybe bouillon?
To me, this is with the thinking that Gilroy's a lock.

Despite his contract, I dont think you can pencil him in blindly that easily and you have to be prepared if he's not up to speed. I have to be convinced the guy can play at this level... and then after all of that, can he sustain it over an 82 game period when hes only been playing 35-45 games a year??

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To me, this is with the thinking that Gilroy's a lock.

Despite his contract, I dont think you can pencil him in blindly that easily and you have to be prepared if he's not up to speed. I have to be convinced the guy can play at this level... and then after all of that, can he sustain it over an 82 game period when hes only been playing 35-45 games a year??
true, but my thinking wasn't only Gilroy. I think Heikkinen, who is an offensive dman, may be even more ready than Gilroy. and he did play against grown men last year.

but you are correct that you can't pencil in blindly. We do need to see what we have.

I think that we won't sign anybody until the preseason starts. I think the coaching staff will see what we have, and then make the decision to either try to get a #5-6 dman or just go for a vet at #7. I think both Cheli and Schneids might still be available by then as well.

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true, but my thinking wasn't only Gilroy. I think Heikkinen, who is an offensive dman, may be even more ready than Gilroy. and he did play against grown men last year.

but you are correct that you can't pencil in blindly. We do need to see what we have.

I think that we won't sign anybody until the preseason starts. I think the coaching staff will see what we have, and then make the decision to either try to get a #5-6 dman or just go for a vet at #7. I think both Cheli and Schneids might still be available by then as well.
They might be, but i'd much rather have them be at camp either signed or on a tryout basis so you know what you are getting for sure, especially with the way this camp is supposed to be this year.

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They might be, but i'd much rather have them be at camp either signed or on a tryout basis so you know what you are getting for sure, especially with the way this camp is supposed to be this year.
Thats why getting a veteran who can play maybe 30-40 games a season to be the #7 would make more sense than getting Schneider. You think he would be okay being the #6/#7 or even come to camp on a tryout? I honestly dont see that from a guy as esteemed as Schneider and who showed he still has it in Montreal.

Its also not just Gilroy. I mean there are 6 possible players who might be ready to play in the NHL right now. Potter, Sauer, Sanguinetti, MDZ, Gilroy and Heikkenen. Picking 2 of them isnt that big of a deal. If there were only two possibly ready I would say "yeah, let's go out and get a veteran for a year" but at some point you have to let the youth play. This seems to as good of an opportunity as any.

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Thats why getting a veteran who can play maybe 30-40 games a season to be the #7 would make more sense than getting Schneider. You think he would be okay being the #6/#7 or even come to camp on a tryout? I honestly dont see that from a guy as esteemed as Schneider and who showed he still has it in Montreal.

Its also not just Gilroy. I mean there are 6 possible players who might be ready to play in the NHL right now. Potter, Sauer, Sanguinetti, MDZ, Gilroy and Heikkenen. Picking 2 of them isnt that big of a deal. If there were only two possibly ready I would say "yeah, let's go out and get a veteran for a year" but at some point you have to let the youth play. This seems to as good of an opportunity as any.
I guess so... we talked about this the other night and how it all breaks down.

I just think if they can get a depth defenseman and improve the PP in the process (for the right amount) they should do it and worry about all of that later.

I can see both sides of the argument. But if Schneider is willing to take a reduced role in some form (3rd pairing/spelling rookies) then i think its worth a shot. And even then if he is slotted into a 5th/6th role, the possibility of injury can occur with him or with any of the NHL ready defenseman- therfore giving the youth a shot - so I believe its good to have that experience there.

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