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08-07-2009, 09:53 AM
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Torts = the difference

Here's the main reason I have 100% more confidence in this team going into the next several seasons - it's Tort's team. The team under Renney was constructed solely by Sather, but with Torts now the coach, he's going to mold this team quickly into his type of team.

Zherdev didn't have a chance of sticking around under Torts, even if he was awarded $5, but I could have seen him continue playing under Renney. Gomez is gone, replaced with a sniper and a two-way play in Higgins. Not sure if Rosy and Redden would still be here if their contracts were lighter, but we'll see how they pan out. Only surprises from the offer season is letting Betts walk and not re-signing Mara for a year or two, he's been steady. Guess they want more puck-moving defensemen.

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You don't think Renney had a large say on who was signed, traded for, and drafted?

but yes, I think the offseason moves which were made to reflect Tortorella's style should make this team a much more fun and hopefully better team to watch this season.

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i really wish renney would've stuck around in a front office role. he would've made a great gm at some point.

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Talk talk talk talk talk.....

Shut up and do it, i'm sick of hearing 'when Torts gets here blah blah blah'

Proof=pudding

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08-07-2009, 10:13 AM
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Torts is going to have to sell me. I know he won a cup in Tampa Bay, but that means very little now to me as a Ranger fan.

The phrase that sticks out most to me during Torts' tenure here so far is "double-standard."

He wants to play the disciplinarian (dont walk on the Rangers logo in the lockerroom/benching Avery in the playoffs), but this is the same guy that went crazy on a fan and got himself suspended for a playoff game.

But, I have an open mind. I hope he does well here.

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08-07-2009, 10:14 AM
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Torts is going to have to sell me. I know he won a cup in Tampa Bay, but that means very little now to me as a Ranger fan.

The phrase that sticks out most to me during Torts' tenure here so far is "double-standard."

He wants to play the disciplinarian (dont walk on the Rangers logo in the lockerroom/benching Avery in the playoffs), but this is the same guy that went crazy on a fan and got himself suspended for a playoff game.

But, I have an open mind. I hope he does well here.
Exactly. Couldn't have said it better myself.

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Can we rename this thread

The Summer of Torts

Seriously every thread has Torts turning water into wine with each player/prospect in this organization. We need to cool it with the Torts Koolaid.

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08-07-2009, 10:27 AM
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I'm confident he'll make this a better team, but I'm not gonna dump on Tom Renney (I did enough of that when he was our head coach).

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Talk talk talk talk talk.....

Shut up and do it, i'm sick of hearing 'when Torts gets here blah blah blah'

Proof=pudding
Ironically this sounds like something torts would say...

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I'm confident he'll make this a better team, but I'm not gonna dump on Tom Renney (I did enough of that when he was our head coach).
Something tells me a lot of fans will be missing the cerebral approach of Tom Renney by season's end.

Is it too much to ask to find a happy median between Renney's classiness and Torts' feistiness?

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Something tells me a lot of fans will be missing the cerebral approach of Tom Renney by season's end.

Is it too much to ask to find a happy median between Renney's classiness and Torts' feistiness?
I think Adam Graves would make a phenomenal coach. Classy enough and at the same time do not think he would have a defense first style of hockey.

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Is it too much to ask to find a happy median between Renney's classiness and Torts' feistiness?
I was a Peter Laviolette advocate.

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I was a Peter Laviolette advocate.
We'll see what happens when Torts inevitably burns out in NY, and Sather makes him the next fall guy.

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Ironically this sounds like something torts would say...
Both fiery Italians

Seriously, Torts is getting 'his' players, if he can't get it to work this is gonna be a short hooneymoon.....

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Here's the main reason I have 100% more confidence in this team going into the next several seasons - it's Tort's team. The team under Renney was constructed solely by Sather, but with Torts now the coach, he's going to mold this team quickly into his type of team.

Zherdev didn't have a chance of sticking around under Torts, even if he was awarded $5, but I could have seen him continue playing under Renney. Gomez is gone, replaced with a sniper and a two-way play in Higgins. Not sure if Rosy and Redden would still be here if their contracts were lighter, but we'll see how they pan out. Only surprises from the offer season is letting Betts walk and not re-signing Mara for a year or two, he's been steady. Guess they want more puck-moving defensemen.
Right, Renney had zero input into the composition of the roster... Come on, man.

As far as Torts--we'll see. I've been around long enough to have seen all of my teams bring in great coaches who pump up the fan base, bring in their own guys, etc, only to fizzle out. I truly hope Tortorella is "the one" for us, but only time will tell. I'm no more optimistic than normal.

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Right, Renney had zero input into the composition of the roster... Come on, man.

As far as Torts--we'll see. I've been around long enough to have seen all of my teams bring in great coaches who pump up the fan base, bring in their own guys, etc, only to fizzle out. I truly hope Tortorella is "the one" for us, but only time will tell. I'm no more optimistic than normal.
Renney had the input, I dont have any doubt about that, but how much pressure did he really exude on management? I can see him being a yes-man more than anything.

"Hey Tom, we're gonna give you a 35 year old Markus Naslund and a headcase Russian as your top wings this season"

"Oh sure, sounds great Glen!"

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Fans love of Torts is classic the grass is always greener nonsense.

After he's here for a while I'd bet any amount that there will be multiple threads calling for his firing. If there are any takers, let me know and no I won't start those threads.

Hell, if they lose the first two games of the season, some idiots will be calling for his head.

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Renney had the input, I dont have any doubt about that, but how much pressure did he really exude on management? I can see him being a yes-man more than anything.

"Hey Tom, we're gonna give you a 35 year old Markus Naslund and a headcase Russian as your top wings this season"

"Oh sure, sounds great Glen!"
How can you have an opinion about how Renney spoke to Sather in private? What do you base it upon? Because he was reserved with the press?

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How can you have an opinion about how Renney spoke to Sather in private? What do you base it upon? Because he was reserved with the press?
Its called sociology.

Do you expect me to believe that Renney was a perfect gentleman to the press and about everyone he came in contact with publicly, but behind closed doors he rained fire and brimstone upon Sather and the rest of upper management?

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Its called sociology.

Do you expect me to believe that Renney was a perfect gentleman to the press and about everyone he came in contact with publicly, but behind closed doors he rained fire and brimstone upon Sather and the rest of upper management?
It doesn't have to be one or the other though. You can be firm and stick to your guns without "raining fire and brimstone." I don't follow other teams well enough to provide NHL examples, but I know plenty of people in day to day life and the business world that are cool, calm, and collected in public but hard-***** behind closed doors. It's actually fairly common for people in positions of power from my experience.

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It doesn't have to be one or the other though. You can be firm and stick to your guns without "raining fire and brimstone." I don't follow other teams well enough to provide NHL examples, but I know plenty of people in day to day life and the business world that are cool, calm, and collected in public but hard-***** behind closed doors. It's actually fairly common for people in positions of power from my experience.
Understandable, again, that was just my opinion...Im not trying to pass it along as fact.

I just find it hard to believe that the GM AND the coach both signed off on the atrocious roster we fielded to begin last season with no reservations.

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Torts hasn't been here enough to judge him. Ok, maybe he has... but I would like to see a full season.

In my opinion those people who think Tortorella is overrated also overrated Renney and vice versa. Both coaches have numerous strengths and weaknesses

I noticed that on this forum you see opinions leaning toward each end of spectrum and almost nothing in between.

By the way, I have a tendency to do the same thing

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I think Torts will certainly bring a more "entertaining" brand of Hockey to the Rangers. Whether that will amount to a successful season...jury is out. But I think it was time for a change from Renney. As it will be from Tortorella down the line. This is the coaching cycle haha

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Torts is going to have to sell me. I know he won a cup in Tampa Bay, but that means very little now to me as a Ranger fan.

The phrase that sticks out most to me during Torts' tenure here so far is "double-standard."

He wants to play the disciplinarian (dont walk on the Rangers logo in the lockerroom/benching Avery in the playoffs), but this is the same guy that went crazy on a fan and got himself suspended for a playoff game.

But, I have an open mind. I hope he does well here.
OMG can Ranger fans just get over it already? It was a god damn water bottle... Big freakin' deal... He lost his temper and make a mistake and was embarrassed and appologized... Big deal, time to move on.... Does anyone actually think the players are in the lockerroom second guessing everything Tortorella says because in the back of their mind all they're thinking about is the water bottle incident? Lets get serious here...

I love how the guy tosses a plastic water bottle and suddenly it's his Achilles heal and the standard by which he should be judged...

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I'll be more than happy to jump aboard "The Good Ship Tortorella" when and if.

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