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08-08-2009, 02:14 PM
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Yuck! That guy got hurt he's old and he's done. We need 2 good goalies! Keep Halak plz Bob.

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08-08-2009, 03:02 PM
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Its a rumor from CKAC... I'll believe it when it happens.
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this proposal is a big joke .
If u think horton has a big value on the market,and Florida lost a big piece on defence this summer in jbo and they get pleks that's a good 2way center still young really fast can produce offense and really good on PK plus a 2nd round please explain why FLO would hang up right away.

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08-08-2009, 03:04 PM
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If u think horton has a big value on the market,and Florida lost a big piece on defence this summer in jbo and they get pleks that's a good 2way center still young really fast can produce offense and really good on PK plus a 2nd round please explain why FLO would hang up right away, it's funny how u pretend to know so much about hockey LOLL
They kept Bouwmeester because they thought they could make the playoffs and have a good run, like when we kept Souray. This has nothing to do with the trade value of JayBo, your whole point is irrelevant.

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08-08-2009, 04:06 PM
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They kept Bouwmeester because they thought they could make the playoffs and have a good run, like when we kept Souray. This has nothing to do with the trade value of JayBo, your whole point is irrelevant.
WTF LOL ur post makes no sense , who doesn't know that they kept jbo cuz they tought they were gonna make the playoffs did I ever talk about that haha read my post again I'm talking about a trade.


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08-08-2009, 04:06 PM
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Trading Halak then having Sanford and Fernandez compete for the #2 job is not a bad plan.

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08-08-2009, 04:10 PM
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The funny thing in all of this is that NOBODY has heard the famed rumor on CKAC.

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08-08-2009, 04:55 PM
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Trading Halak then having Sanford and Fernandez compete for the #2 job is not a bad plan.
I don't have a problem with that, but the only way I want Halak traded is if we get very good value for him.

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08-09-2009, 05:30 AM
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I think Manny is a darn good 2nd goalie he will be one of the best if not the best in league as 2nd goalie.Good move by habs.

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08-09-2009, 06:57 AM
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fernandez is a sive

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08-09-2009, 10:44 AM
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Price:

Year Team GP GS MIN W L T OTL EGA GA GAA SA SV SV% SO
2007-08 MON 41 40 2413 24 12 0 3 2 103 2.56 1282 1179 .920 3
2008-09 MON 52 49 3036 23 16 0 10 4 143 2.83 1513 1370 .905 1
Career 93 89 5449 47 28 0 13 6 246 2.71 2795 2549 .912 4

Halak:

2006-07 MON 16 16 912 10 6 0 0 2 44 2.89 469 425 .906 2
2007-08 MON 6 4 285 2 1 0 1 0 10 2.11 151 141 .934 1
2008-09 MON 34 33 1931 18 14 0 1 0 92 2.86 1077 985 .915 1
Career 56 53 3128 30 21 0 2 2 146 2.80 1697 1551 .914 4

There, compare now too.
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What's this prove? I'm not quite sure.

That Halak has posted just as many shutouts in almost 40 less games?

Or that Halak and Price's stats are eerily similar? (Check AHL/CHL for similar comparison).

Or that Halak has a 0.566 WIN% to Price's 0.534 WIN%?

Or that Halak played playoff teams 10% more than Price last season?

Or that Halak posted very similar in-game stats to Price as a 21-year old in the NHL? (2.89 GAA, .906 SV%, 2 shutouts - 2.83 GAA, .905 SV%, 1 shutout).


I noticed you left out playoff stats for your "argument" as well. Good choice.


And PS. How why did you compare Price versus Halak in the first place? I was simply saying if that argument can be used to say Price is better than Halak - then why use common sense when comparing Halak and Manny?
I guess this conversation is "Re-Done" then.

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08-09-2009, 10:51 AM
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Why in the blue hell does this thread have to turn into a Price vs Halak discussion? Isn't there a thread for that kind of BS already? Geeez people!

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08-09-2009, 01:18 PM
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Why in the blue hell does this thread have to turn into a Price vs Halak discussion? Isn't there a thread for that kind of BS already? Geeez people!
I didn't have to - so long as people can keep their stories straight.

What pissed me off is this;

Price is better than Halak to certain posters. Those posters use age, potential (so speculation) but dance around stats to prove this. That's fine, I have no problem with someone thinking Price will be a better goalie.

But then those certain posters are doing the opposite in the Halak/Fernandez comparison. In that comparison, they use stats rather than age and potential to say Fernandez is as good or better than Halak.

It just boggles my mind - it doesn't make any sense!

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08-09-2009, 01:29 PM
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I didn't have to - so long as people can keep their stories straight.

What pissed me off is this;

Price is better than Halak to certain posters. Those posters use age, potential (so speculation) but dance around stats to prove this. That's fine, I have no problem with someone thinking Price will be a better goalie.

But then those certain posters are doing the opposite in the Halak/Fernandez comparison. In that comparison, they use stats rather than age and potential to say Fernandez is as good or better than Halak.

It just boggles my mind - it doesn't make any sense!
I wasn't pointing fingers as you're not the only one doing that here, it was more of a general statement. It's extremely frustrating to see that petty pissing war between the same people in every thread on the same topic. It seems like every time there's a discussion about goaltending, it's the same story. Take it to the Price/Halak thread and leave it out of other threads for the sake of those who don't give a crap about who's daddy is better.

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08-09-2009, 01:36 PM
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I wasn't pointing fingers as you're not the only one doing that here, it was more of a general statement. It's extremely frustrating to see that petty pissing war between the same people in every thread on the same topic. It seems like every time there's a discussion about goaltending, it's the same story. Take it to the Price/Halak thread and leave it out of other threads for the sake of those who don't give a crap about who's daddy is better.
True - but if there using one example to defend one young goalie but completely leaving that out for another young goalie - I think it's a valid point to bring up.

I can see the reason we'd want a veteran backup goalie - but that's what that player would be. A backup.

Halak has the potential to be a #1 - and could probably be a decent-good #1 right now if he had the chance.

A veteran who is signing a deal to be backup is a guy that teams no longer think can be a #1 and he's merely a backup plan.

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08-09-2009, 01:39 PM
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True - but if there using one example to defend one young goalie but completely leaving that out for another young goalie - I think it's a valid point to bring up.

I can see the reason we'd want a veteran backup goalie - but that's what that player would be. A backup.

Halak has the potential to be a #1 - and could probably be a decent-good #1 right now if he had the chance.

A veteran who is signing a deal to be backup is a guy that teams no longer think can be a #1 and he's merely a backup plan.
I think the organization has clearly made up their minds about Price being the guy.

I like Halak, but we both know he is too good to just be a back-up his entire career. The Habs should try to get some sort of asset for him when they can instead of letting him walk for free, kind of like Vokoun.

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Why in the blue hell does this thread have to turn into a Price vs Halak discussion? Isn't there a thread for that kind of BS already? Geeez people!
Because people here are dumb as **** ? This will more than likely never happen. There's no way Fernandez accepts a two-way contract, so people just debate pointless things.

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08-09-2009, 01:42 PM
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I think the organization has clearly made up their minds about Price being the guy.

I like Halak, but we both know he is too good to just be a back-up his entire career. The Habs should try to get some sort of asset for him when they can instead of letting him walk for free, kind of like Vokoun.
While I disagree with the organizations choice to make Price the guy with no competition - it is what it is.

A Price/Halak comparison is fine though. Two young goalies, high end potential, etc.

A Halak/Fernandez comparison is kind of pointless.

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08-09-2009, 01:47 PM
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A Halak/Fernandez comparison is kind of pointless.
Agreed on that. Two different roles, two different potential, two different stages in their respective career.

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So, time to call this one BS?

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So, time to call this one BS?
eklund- *Rumors of Manny Fernandez signing a two-way deal with Montreal are rampant. This will definitely spur on more talk involving Halak to San Jose...


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eklund- *Rumors of Manny Fernandez signing a two-way deal with Montreal are rampant. This will definitely spur on more talk involving Halak to San Jose...


yup
will flip Manny Fernandez for Evgeni Nabokov

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On the team 990 marinaro did say that there was truth to the fernandez offer. And that he would be surprised if Halak finished the year as a Hab.

Also said that Sergei Kost, Hamrlik, Plekanec were on the block as well.

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On the team 990 marinaro did say that there was truth to the fernandez offer. And that he would be surprised if Halak finished the year as a Hab.

Also said that Sergei Kost, Hamrlik, Plekanec were on the block as well.
Did Mariano say if the offer was before or after we signed Curtis Sanford, as it seems to be a sticky point in this thread? If it's before, the offer might be off the table. If it's after, this could mean that there's something up with Halak...

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if Halak is moved to SJ in a potential precursor to a Heatley deal then yea

Fernandez is a good NHL goalie.

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Did Mariano say if the offer was before or after we signed Curtis Sanford, as it seems to be a sticky point in this thread? If it's before, the offer might be off the table. If it's after, this could mean that there's something up with Halak...
he mentionned it today, and said it would be as a mentoring role for Price.

I mean he didnt make it seem imminent, he just made it clear that halak wants out because he knows he will never get his shot.

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