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How do the Hawks survive the 2010 off-season?

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08-08-2009, 07:45 PM
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How do the Hawks survive the 2010 off-season?

I figured this may be a better topic to discuss than countless "Value of: Kane/Keith/Toews" proposals. Obviously the Hawks would prefer to make changes elsewhere, but who and how many to accommodate 3 budding stars getting new contracts next year. First, lets establish a value for the 3 (give or take .5mil). I'd say Toews and Kane would be in the 6mil vicinity, and Keith 5mil. That's 17mil for 3 players to add to the 13 players scheduled to make 43.1mil already. 60mil, 16 players and still in need of 6 players to round out the active roster.

The next factor is the dropping cap next year. The players kicked in their 5% cap raise this off-season, meaning the cap this off-season really would have been 54mil. That number is expected to drop further, between 50-52mil. For the sake of the Hawks, lets settle on 52mil. So let's examine the options to hit the magic number....

Purging the 2 ugly contracts: Huet @ 5.625 and Campbell @ 7.14. Combined, eliminating both contracts would save 12.76mil. This would leave the Hawks with 14 players @ 47.25mil - needing 8 players (including a starting goalie) to sign for 3.75mil... basically all 8 players making league minimum. At the same time, the only option here is sending both players to the minors, as no one is going to take these players outside of Chicago offering multiple 1st rd picks. The PA may have a slight grievance with this movement as well, mainly Campbell. However, for the sake of argument, lets say they bury nearly 13mil in the minors (something I'm sure their owner will be ecstatic about). This leaves them with Corey Crawford and ? (making league min) as their goaltending tandem, as well as their 4th line, 5/6 D pairing and 2 reserves all making league min. Are their even that many players in the league making the minimum salary?

Assuming they'd want to upgrade at some spots they'd have to downgrade at others. These are the candidates for trade:

Byfuglien, Bolland, Barker, Versteeg, Sopel, Sharp.

With hands tied financially, can the Hawks expect to get what they deem market value for these players? I doubt it, but for the rest of this thread I'd like to hear some suggestions, particularly from Hawks fans, about what they could realistically expect for these players and whether or not it makes more sense to work from a position of weakness to move these players and fill other needs, or if it makes more sense to move one of Keith/Kane/Toews.

(Weakness vs strength based on the 6 above mentioned moved out of necessity vs the bidding war that would occur if Toews, Keith or Kane were available).

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08-08-2009, 07:46 PM
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Isles will take Byfuglien for draft picks. That saves them $3 million right there.

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Isles will take Byfuglien for draft picks. That saves them $3 million right there.
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Best case:

Deal Byfuglien, Versteeg, Barker, whoever else to clear the space. Perhaps even Sharp.

Otherwise:

Waive Campbell, eat the salary as he plays for Rockford.

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The next factor is the dropping cap next year. The players kicked in their 5% cap raise this off-season, meaning the cap this off-season really would have been 54mil.
"Really would have been?" What does that mean? They triggered the 5% last year too, what would the cap really have been then? What about after they trigger it next year? What is it really going to be?

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You might get someone to take Campbell off your hands. Plenty of teams need a puck-moving Dman, and some have a little cap space to work with. However, be prepared to give up some picks and dont expect face value for Campbell.

As for Huet, I dont think many teams will pay that much money for an average goalie. However, a team that needs a goalie for a playoff push might try to go after Huet during the trade deadline. Dont count on it though.

If Huet and Campbell are gone and the Hawks still dont clear enough salary through trades, consider Sopel, Versteeg and/or Buff gone.

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Does anyone really think Campbell would really be sent down? I mean I dont think soemthing like that has ever happen in the NHL, it sounds so crazy

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Does anyone really think Campbell would really be sent down? I mean I dont think soemthing like that has ever happen in the NHL, it sounds so crazy
I think he has a NMC so it wouldn't happen anyway.

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If Blake retires after next season and the Sharks let Lukewich walk they would have freed $5 million in cap to take back Campbell, but I'm sure they Hawks still have to eat at least a $3-4 million salary back like Cheechoo.

Would it happen?

Wilson liked Campbell and he did well in San Jose and Boyle and Campbell on the PP would be lethal.

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Ladd for prospect and draft pick?

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If Blake retires after next season and the Sharks let Lukewich walk they would have freed $5 million in cap to take back Campbell, but I'm sure they Hawks still have to eat at least a $3-4 million salary back like Cheechoo.

Would it happen?

Wilson liked Campbell and he did well in San Jose and Boyle and Campbell on the PP would be lethal.

We have a decent amount off the cap that season but there's no way we could eat that contract, as the Sharks are also in something of a cap bind (a lot of players come off, but we'll have a lot of open positions to fill). Also, it's probable that Wilson could have signed Campbell to begin with at 7 mil, but didn't deem him worth that much. It's highly unlikely he would want him now.

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Toews = Mike Richards rev 1.2 = $5,750,000 for 50 years, or whatever it is.
Kane = Corry Perry = 5,325,000 for 5-6 years
Keith = Phaneuf = 6,500,000 for 5-6 years

Patrick Sharp is moved for a 2nd rounder (Saving $3.9 million)
Kris Versteeg is moved for a 2nd rounder (Saving $3,066,667)
John Madden walks
Andrew Ladd is resigned for 3 years $3.3 million
Brian Campbell + 1st rounder is traded for a 3rd
Huet is kept

1. Hossa (5,166,666) - Toews (5,750,000) - Kane (5,325,000)
2. Byfuglien (3,000,000) - Bolland (3,375,000) - Ladd (3,300,000)
3. Kopecky (1,200,000) - XXX (1,000,000) - Brouwer (1,000,000)
4. XXX (750,000) - XXX (750,000) - XXX (750,000)
Total: 31,366,666

1. Seabrook (3,500,000) - Keith (6,500,000)
2. Barker (3,083,000) - Sopel (2,333,333)
3. XXX (1,000,000) - XXX (1,000,000)
Total: 17,416,333

1. Huet (5,625,000)
2. Crawford (750,000)
Total: 6,375,000

Grand Total: 55,157,999

Current upper limit: $56,800,000. If it goes down, worry about it then. The owners and GMs know 10 times what we know about the next offseason, I have even read some reports that the cap will remain the same, so everyone needs to step away from the edge.

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I've been bored today, and playing with cap geek. To me, the only teams that have both the cap space AND the potentially the money are Florida, Dallas, Minnesota.

I'm not aware of any internal budgets with these three teams, so please don't blast me if there are.

The only problem I have when trying to figure out a trade is whether or not Chicago trades Campbell now or at the end of the season.

If they want to trade him now, one trade that came to mind for me was:

To Minnesota:
Brian Campbell

To Chicago:
One of either Owen Nolan or Eric Belanger
One of either Kim Johnsson or Marek Zidlicky

It doesn't send much to Chicago in terms of value, but if they are looking to move Campbell now, this trade helps bolster them for their run, and all four of these contracts are up at the end of the season.

Flame away.

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Campbell will not be sent down. Boy am I sick of these threads already.

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If Blake retires after next season and the Sharks let Lukewich walk they would have freed $5 million in cap to take back Campbell, but I'm sure they Hawks still have to eat at least a $3-4 million salary back like Cheechoo.

Would it happen?

Wilson liked Campbell and he did well in San Jose and Boyle and Campbell on the PP would be lethal.
Thing is, Campbell didn't really like San Jose well enough to want to go back there. He didn't really do well in the playoffs either. I can remember him trying to pinch and getting caught up and allowing an important goal against in the Dallas series. Plays resulting in odd man rushes like that one happened more than once. I'm not saying anything against Campbell because I love the guy, but he wasn't on his best game for the Sharks. He played the best in Buffalo.

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Get Rid of Huet, Versteeg and Byfuglin,

NYI:
Versteeg
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Chicago:
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Does Hossa have a NTC/NMC? I think that contract might be moveable due to the low cap hit.

I'd like to hear some more Hawk fans comment on this thread. (specifically regarding Huet/Campbell)

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I think they shouldn't sign a failure such as Hossa, I think he is going to suck in two years. I wish Chicago didn't hand him and Kopecky a contract and just signed a player that was alright and was affordable.

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Does Hossa have a NTC/NMC? I think that contract might be moveable due to the low cap hit.

I'd like to hear some more Hawk fans comment on this thread. (specifically regarding Huet/Campbell)
I'm pretty sure Hossa has neither a NTC or NMC. However, I believe Campbell has a NTC.

As for Huet, he's got a lot on his shoulders to prove this year. I don't see him going anywhere until next summer if that has to happen. If he plays like he's worth that contract, then he'll be kept. If not we could potentially find a taker and a buyout is another option but we'll see what can be done.

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trade Keith, Toews and Kane. It's an option but didn't say it was the best one. lol.

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"Really would have been?" What does that mean? They triggered the 5% last year too, what would the cap really have been then? What about after they trigger it next year? What is it really going to be?
It was my understanding that the PA could only do this once, perhaps I was misinformed. Either way, I would have preferred to hear suggestions from Hawks fans on cap solutions. Seems this issue is a little touchy for them.

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trade Keith, Toews and Kane. It's an option but didn't say it was the best one. lol.
Trade Keith, Toews, and Kane for Malkin and Letang.


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Get Rid of Huet, Versteeg and Byfuglin,

NYI:
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Chicago:
Comeau
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Um... Are you an Islanders fan? I can't tell?

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Toews = Mike Richards rev 1.2 = $5,750,000 for 50 years, or whatever it is.
Kane = Corry Perry = 5,325,000 for 5-6 years
Keith = Phaneuf = 6,500,000 for 5-6 years

Patrick Sharp is moved for a 2nd rounder (Saving $3.9 million)
Kris Versteeg is moved for a 2nd rounder (Saving $3,066,667)
John Madden walks
Andrew Ladd is resigned for 3 years $3.3 million
Brian Campbell + 1st rounder is traded for a 3rd
Huet is kept

1. Hossa (5,166,666) - Toews (5,750,000) - Kane (5,325,000)
2. Byfuglien (3,000,000) - Bolland (3,375,000) - Ladd (3,300,000)
3. Kopecky (1,200,000) - XXX (1,000,000) - Brouwer (1,000,000)
4. XXX (750,000) - XXX (750,000) - XXX (750,000)
Total: 31,366,666

1. Seabrook (3,500,000) - Keith (6,500,000)
2. Barker (3,083,000) - Sopel (2,333,333)
3. XXX (1,000,000) - XXX (1,000,000)
Total: 17,416,333

1. Huet (5,625,000)
2. Crawford (750,000)
Total: 6,375,000

Grand Total: 55,157,999

Current upper limit: $56,800,000. If it goes down, worry about it then. The owners and GMs know 10 times what we know about the next offseason, I have even read some reports that the cap will remain the same, so everyone needs to step away from the edge.
Well thought out, and you're probably right to not worry about it until the cap officially goes down, though it seems a foregone conclusion by virtually every NHL forecaster.

All your trades are quite plausible... though I question whether Campbell will get any takers. I think that contract is too disgusting to be moved for a 1st rder that is likely going to be 20-30. The teams that have the room do so based on internal budgets/caps. And those that might be interested, and have the room (the Avs come to mind) might be in rebuild mode where a piece like Campbell doesn't fit. But who can say for sure, maybe you're right and there is a fit somewhere.

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