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Renney Vs. Campbell

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08-09-2009, 11:29 AM
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Renney Vs. Campbell

This is along the lines of Jagr vs. Gretz.

Who had the better coaching tenure in NY? Colin Campbell or Tom Renney?

Campbell- 118-108-43 regular season

Two 2nd round appearances, One 3rd round


Renney- 164-121-42 (pretty sure)

Two 2nd round appearances, One 1st round

I think its Renney. Campbell especially early on had Stanley Cup caliber players; Renney not as many. Plus Renney brought credibility back to Broadway. Both guys fired after 3 and a half years. Renney's 4th year, the team still made the playoffs.

Not sure how to create the poll; can someone please do it if it doesn't work?

What do you guys think?

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08-09-2009, 12:03 PM
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This is along the lines of Jagr vs. Gretz.

Who had the better coaching tenure in NY? Colin Campbell or Tom Renney?

Campbell- 118-108-43 regular season

Two 2nd round appearances, One 3rd round


Renney- 164-121-42 (pretty sure)

Two 2nd round appearances, One 1st round

I think its Renney. Campbell especially early on had Stanley Cup caliber players; Renney not as many. Plus Renney brought credibility back to Broadway. Both guys fired after 3 and a half years. Renney's 4th year, the team still made the playoffs.

Not sure how to create the poll; can someone please do it if it doesn't work?

What do you guys think?
I'm gonna go with Campbell. If you take out shootout wins, which Campbell did not have a chance to get, the story changes a little on the surface. Renney had 31 shootout wins. His comparable record to Campbell's was 133-138-56 (all shootout games count as ties and all losses in regular OT count as losses). That means Campbell's winning pct (0.438) was better than Renney's (0.406).

I just liked Campbell's overall style better, but it's all opinion I suppose. 1997-98 wasn't really Campbell's fault, either, IMO. The team never got over the loss of Messier during the previous offseason. That was also the year LaFontaine got knocked out mid-year and never played again.

Oh, and one of the reasons the team made the playoffs in Renney's 4th year was that they fired him.

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08-09-2009, 01:23 PM
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I like Renney, But I love Campbell, he was here in 94' he knew how to handle superstars like Mess & Gretz. He was a genuis at X's & O's coaching.

He got a raw deal by smith when he fired him. It was Smith who should have been fired in 98' after allowing Messier to leave & Campbell paid the price.

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Id probably go with Renney on this one...I think Renney had a little less to work with than Campbell.

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Id probably go with Renney on this one...I think Renney had a little less to work with than Campbell.

Renney had Jagr in his Prime.


You add Jagr to Messier, Gretzky, Leetch, Buek, Graves, Verbeek & maybe Kovelev comes back in time for the finals back in the late 90's we most likely win one more cup in 97'.

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Taking shootouts to account, I'm going to go with Campbell. If he had shootouts as well, depending on performance I may have gone with Renney. But as it is, I think Renney relied on the shootout quite a bit.

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Id probably go with Renney on this one...I think Renney had a little less to work with than Campbell.
I also think Renney had a very important coaching tenure here. He brought a feeling of respectability back to the franchise. So yes, I think Renney had a better tenure.

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IMO, a much tougher debate is Roger Neilson versus Tom Renney. If you go back to the beginning of the 1989-90' season (when Neilson was hired) as a Rangers fan, I'd love to see who you choose between these two. That may even be the toughest debate between any 2 Rangers coaches in the history of the organization.

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Renney had Jagr in his Prime.


You add Jagr to Messier, Gretzky, Leetch, Buek, Graves, Verbeek & maybe Kovelev comes back in time for the finals back in the late 90's we most likely win one more cup in 97'.
What? Jagr's prime was 7-10 years before 2005-2006. He turned back the clock to put up 123 points, and Renney letting him have free reign was a contributing factor.

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08-09-2009, 07:34 PM
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i can't say I disagree.
Only good thing is tha how we look on paper dont mean jack........


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Noone can say I am a Renney fan, but I go with Renney here. He had his flaws as a head coach, but he basically rebuilt this organization from the ground up after some terrible years.

Campbell inherited a team that had just won the cup. Renney for a team that had missed the playoff how many years straight?

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What? Jagr's prime was 7-10 years before 2005-2006. He turned back the clock to put up 123 points, and Renney letting him have free reign was a contributing factor.

Jagr wasn't over the hill in 06', not even close.

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Jagr wasn't over the hill in 06', not even close.
Never said he was. Im disputing your claim that Tom Renney had Jaromir Jagr in his prime. I think its pretty clear Jagr's prime years were 95-2001

http://hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=2497

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These guys are like two peas in a pod and I'm glad they're both no longer the coach of the Rangers, that said, I've got to go with Renney because of his first season after the lockout. Between he and Jagr the team turned itself around from the dark ages.

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IMO, a much tougher debate is Roger Neilson versus Tom Renney. If you go back to the beginning of the 1989-90' season (when Neilson was hired) as a Rangers fan, I'd love to see who you choose between these two. That may even be the toughest debate between any 2 Rangers coaches in the history of the organization.
What about a Muckler vs Low debate...that could be endlessly sloppy. Throw in a little Trottier just for fun.

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Campbell hands down. Renney was just too nice of a guy.

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Renney by a long shot. Campbell had more talent to work with, and he ran Zubov and Nedved out of town in favor of Robitaille and Ulf. A terrible deal, and at the feet of Campbell.

He sucks in the league office too.

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What? Jagr's prime was 7-10 years before 2005-2006. He turned back the clock to put up 123 points, and Renney letting him have free reign was a contributing factor.
Let's also add the fact that the post-lockout year is probably considered one of the biggest statistical anomalies in NHL history. Players who had no business putting up big point totals did that season. If you look at a bunch of different players, their career highs in goals or points came in that season.

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Renney by a long shot. Campbell had more talent to work with, and he ran Zubov and Nedved out of town in favor of Robitaille and Ulf. A terrible deal, and at the feet of Campbell.

He sucks in the league office too.
I highly disliked Campbell because of the whole Zubov issue. I also didn't like him because of his treatment of Kovalev. He treated the guy like garbage.

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I highly disliked Campbell because of the whole Zubov issue. I also didn't like him because of his treatment of Kovalev. He treated the guy like garbage.

Kovalev frustrated Soupy like Z frustrated Renney & Torts.

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Renney

Campbell inherited a core which had won a Cup and two President's trophies in three years.

Renney inherited a disaster from Sather,Trottier,Low and Muckler.

I agree with the person who said it's really a Renney VS Neilson debate. Uncle Roger inherited the Esposito/Bergeron mess and led the Rangers to their first division title in 40 years. The Flyers were bad. Pittsburgh missed the playoffs that year. Still it was a big accomplishment.

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