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11-01-2008, 09:22 AM
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Name a player you assume won the Lady Byng but did not

I know it isnt a major award and certainly not one that would propel someone into the HHOF but it's been a fairly valuable award in my opinion more than some might think. Here are guys who did not win one, but could have easily.

Peter Statsny - Mild mannered and the epitome of a gentleman on the ice. Guys like Bossy or Gretzky won it during his time but never him.

Jean Beliveau - Believe it or not Beliveau once had 100pim in a season early in his career. But in general he was a clean player with an obvious abundance of skill to couple with that. Surprising he never won it.

Nick Lidstrom - I know a defenseman hasnt won it since 1954 when Red Kelly did so, but isnt it about time he wins it after so many years of being a candidate?

Guy Lafleur - Could have won one or two. The Flower was a clean player on the ice and exemplified what the award meant

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Might be a longshot but how about Bob Gainey?

I think the opposite end works even better. How many Lady Byng winners actually surprise you. Who remembers that Bucyk won two of them? You wouldnt think of it because we think of a clean hard hitter when he is mentioned. Butch Goring? He won it. Great forechecker. Keon. Ditto. But they did play hard AND clean to their credit

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Igor Larionov.

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Yzerman deserved at least one.

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Peter Statsny - Mild mannered and the epitome of a gentleman on the ice. Guys like Bossy or Gretzky won it during his time but never him.
Statsny had to be pretty chippy just to survive in the league though, he wasn't very popular amongst his fellow players who thought he was taking jobs away from their countrymen.

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Igor Larionov.
Same for me.

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Igor Larionov.
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Yzerman deserved at least one.
These two.

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Question: Has a goalie ever been nominated for the Lady Bying?

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Question: Has a goalie ever been nominated for the Lady Bying?
On a few occasions a goalie has received a few low votes (ie Ken Dryden earned 1 pt in 1979, Chico Resch earned 1 pt in 1981, Clint Malarchuk earned 1 pt in 1986, etc).

We have a good collection of Byng voting results here. I don't think anybody's ever analyzed the results though. I'd be interested in seeing which goalie had the most single season & career Byng votes.

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Yzerman deserved at least one.
I thought of him but when you look back on it, while he was a clean player he was a bear to the refs. He joked at his retirement that the only people happy to see him retire were the refs. Funny, but still true. That might have weighed into those decisions for the Byng.

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Niklas Lidstrom should've won the last 10 Byngs in a row. The guy defines what the award is supposed to be about, and it's just mindboggling how the writers are still fixated on giving the award to the forward with the best points-to-PIMs ratio.

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On a few occasions a goalie has received a few low votes (ie Ken Dryden earned 1 pt in 1979, Chico Resch earned 1 pt in 1981, Clint Malarchuk earned 1 pt in 1986, etc).

We have a good collection of Byng voting results here. I don't think anybody's ever analyzed the results though. I'd be interested in seeing which goalie had the most single season & career Byng votes.
I don't think we have complete lists for Byng voting in most seasons so that would be very difficult. In recent years guys like Luongo, Brodeur, and Lalime got single votes in years we have the complete Byng voting records for.

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Adam Oates. Was surprised to see he hadn't won one.

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Lidstrom. He oozes class yet somehow he isn't able to win one.

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Often looking at old articles from pre-1960s, it seems that the Byng was once thought of as highly prestigous honour. Nowadays it's usually an afterthought at awards time, and often winners are labelled as "soft" by some fans. I don't know how or why it changed.

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Often looking at old articles from pre-1960s, it seems that the Byng was once thought of as highly prestigous honour. Nowadays it's usually an afterthought at awards time, and often winners are labelled as "soft" by some fans. I don't know how or why it changed.
At that time my guess would be that it was awarded for sportsmanship and not just the lowest pims. Many people don't understand there is a difference.
To win an award for sportsmanship in any sport would indeed be a great honour. For lowest penalty minutes? Not such a big deal.

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Often looking at old articles from pre-1960s, it seems that the Byng was once thought of as highly prestigous honour. Nowadays it's usually an afterthought at awards time, and often winners are labelled as "soft" by some fans. I don't know how or why it changed.
That's true. I mean look at some guys that won the award. Toe Blake. He was a Hart Trophy winner as well, not to mention a Cup winner. He was a champion but the Byng certainly doesnt taint anything. Mikita, Bucyk and even Perreault are all time greats and no one would criticize them for being playoff failures or even soft. I mean Mogilny didnt even show up to accept his Byng. The aura of it has changed

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Lidstrom and Bourque probably should have won at some point in their careers. To play defense as effectively as they did/do, and be as clean as they were/are is a pretty incredible accomplishment.

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The aura of it has changed
No, just people are dumb and think you need to be hard nosed canadian™ to be good hockey player.

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I was pretty sure Henri Richard won one. I looked up and he didn't.

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Henri was pretty chippy, seems like an older version of Peter Stastny when it comes to discipline... He could have won it in 73-74...? But that's really it, IMO.

Bucko McDonald had a zero PIM season at some point. Considering his style, it is quite an achievement.

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Lidstrom. He oozes class yet somehow he isn't able to win one.
Maybe Kariya would trade his 2 lady Byng's for 1 of the Lidstrom's cup rings?

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