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08-11-2009, 07:31 AM
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Chicago - Nasvhille (Kane)

Nashville:
Kane

Chicago:
Suter
Chet Pickard
1st 2010

Nashville gets a superstar young forward. Chicago loses salary to sign other guys, picks up a young stud on d and a goalie who helps a big need in their prospect pool.

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Overpayment by the Preds. Chicago doesn't do this.

Suter + Pickard straight up is fair value, imo, but the Hawks don't need anymore defensemen with Campbell, Barker, Seabrook and Keith already in their top 4.

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Agree that I'd probably do Suter and Pickard without the pick...but...it doesn't really free up all that much salary for Chicago anyway, as Suter is due to make 4 million this year, as I recall.

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Agree that I'd probably do Suter and Pickard without the pick...but...it doesn't really free up all that much salary for Chicago anyway, as Suter is due to make 4 million this year, as I recall.
$3.5M, both against the cap and in actual salary.

As for the proposal, both teams shoot this down for several reasons:

1.) Kane is unquestionably Chicago's best offensive player, regardless of his lack of character.

2.) Chicago has no need for a defender unless they have a deal in place for Campbell.

3.) This puts Chicago over the cap because it subtracts from their bonus cushion while adding a "hard" $3.5M cap number.

4.) If Nashville trades Suter, their #1 defenseman by the way, the second and third defense pairings will have a combined 83 games of NHL experience, and 81 of those are from Klein. Kane is an awesome player, but trading Suter or any rearguard without a returning one would cripple their defense.

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08-11-2009, 09:28 AM
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$3.5M, both against the cap and in actual salary.

As for the proposal, both teams shoot this down for several reasons:

1.) Kane is unquestionably Chicago's best offensive player, regardless of his lack of character.

2.) Chicago has no need for a defender unless they have a deal in place for Campbell.

3.) This puts Chicago over the cap because it subtracts from their bonus cushion while adding a "hard" $3.5M cap number.

4.) If Nashville trades Suter, their #1 defenseman by the way, the second and third defense pairings will have a combined 83 games of NHL experience, and 81 of those are from Klein. Kane is an awesome player, but trading Suter or any rearguard without a returning one would cripple their defense.
I think Hossa is unquestionably our best offensive player. Unless you mean to say that Kane will lead the Hawks in scoring with Hossa missing 1/4th of the season.

I would consider this trade from the Hawks point of view if the salary can be figured out. If Suter can accept a 2nd pairing role and take a long term $4mil per deal I think it would be more valuable to the team than signing Kane to a $6mil deal given it allows us to keep Toews and Keith.

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4.) If Nashville trades Suter, their #1 defenseman by the way, the second and third defense pairings will have a combined 83 games of NHL experience, and 81 of those are from Klein. Kane is an awesome player, but trading Suter or any rearguard without a returning one would cripple their defense.
i would have thought weber was their number 1 D-man

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No way do the preds lose a #1 Dman, their #1 goalie prospect and a first.

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i would have thought weber was their number 1 D-man
He is. A few people disagree with that though. They are really both legitimate #1 dmen and determining who is ahead of who in the depth charts is an endless and pointless argument.

For the OP, definite overpayment by Nashville. Plus, I don't see why Chicago would do it. They are set on D, and likely only save a couple mil.

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The absolute, #1 reason Chi-town doesn't do this -

You don't trade a phenom of a talent like Kane to a team you will be directly competing with for a playoff spot and facing 6 times a year. Fair value, but I'll guarantee that since it's Nashville on the phone, Chicago hangs it up.

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4.) If Nashville trades Suter, their #1 defenseman by the way, the second and third defense pairings will have a combined 83 games of NHL experience, and 81 of those are from Klein. Kane is an awesome player, but trading Suter or any rearguard without a returning one would cripple their defense.
$20 says that if the deal was based around Weber, you would have called Weber Nashville's #1 defenseman.

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20 cents says this doesn't happen

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$20 says that if the deal was based around Weber, you would have called Weber Nashville's #1 defenseman.
if you read around, the concensus is that Suter is Nashville's number 1, actually.

So, how do I get my 20 dollars?

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i would have thought weber was their number 1 D-man
Weber was hot for the beginning but Suter played well throughout the year really stepping up for them. He is more pure D than Weber who is more offensive because of his bomb shot from the point and his use of big hits. However, Suter outplays him in just about every area. Weber is the guy for the pp, while Suter is the guy on PK and in the last minutes of a major game.

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$20 says that if the deal was based around Weber, you would have called Weber Nashville's #1 defenseman.
Will you be paying by cash, check, or EFT?

I'm not saying that Weber is in any way available, but Suter is the more complete and versatile of the two.

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Pure and simple: Weber is a physical freak but Suter is the best pure defenseman for the Nashville Predators. After these two all players except maybe Jon Blum are untouchable for the Preds unless you are including a top five in the NHl player, not top five on your team, top five in the NHL. As for the deal, it's a dramatic over payment on Nashville's part. Nashville would NEVER give up their Number one defenseman, their #1 goal prospect in a DEEP prospect goal pool, AND a #1 pick.

And after going against Pred protocol with sticking with character players and drafting Alexander Radulov, the Preds might not touch Kane.

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this 20 cent thing has really brought up his popularity, players should do this more often

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this 20 cent thing has really brought up his popularity, players should do this more often
Finally, it can confidently be said that Patrick Kane has reached the level of popularity of Tomas Kaberle, Drew Stafford, and Nikolai Zherdev.

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Finally, it can confidently be said that Patrick Kane has reached the level of popularity of Tomas Kaberle, Drew Stafford, and Nikolai Zherdev.
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Will you be paying by cash, check, or EFT?

I'm not saying that Weber is in any way available, but Suter is the more complete and versatile of the two.
Suter makes 1M less than Weber too.

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Suter makes 1M less than Weber too.
since when does that determine a number 1 from number 2

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if you read around, the concensus is that Suter is Nashville's number 1, actually.

So, how do I get my 20 dollars?
I'm pretty sure that's the coach's call, not the fans.

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I'm pretty sure that's the coach's call, not the fans.
I'm pretty sure Suter had a higher TOI per game than Weber did. In fact, I'm absolutely sure:

Suter: 24:15
Weber: 23:58

Suter played about 35 seconds more of shorthanded time per game (which amounts to roughly two shifts on special teams) than Weber did. Weber played about the same difference in power play time, which I think emphasizes the fact that Weber is an offensive defenseman and Suter is more of an all-around player.

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since when does that determine a number 1 from number 2
It means that he has a better contract. Good contracts don't determine a better player, but they sure help.

I thought that it was worthy of noting.

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the last thing chicago needs is another goalie and i think chicago should keep kane

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the last thing chicago needs is another goalie and i think chicago should keep kane
pickard is prospect, and the hawks can use some insurance, incase huet chokes in the playoffs again

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