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08-11-2009, 10:32 AM
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To TOR: Dustin Penner, 3rd rounder
To EDM: Lee Stempniak

I know Burke said that Penner was not worth 4.25 million/season when he didn't match his offer sheet two years ago, but at the time he was the GM of a Ducks team that was right up against the cap.

In Toronto, he currently has a ton of cap room, and although Penner makes 750k more than Stempniak and has an extra year (hence the Oilers add a 3rd rounder), I think Burke would consider bringing back his former player.

Both are the same age and had bad seasons last year (Penner: 17 goals and 37 points, Stempniak: 14 goals and 44 points) and could use a change of scenery.

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Penner's value is at an all time low. I am confident that under the new coaching staff he can pot 30/20, and would rather give him a shot after one bad year.

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I think Toronto does this... Penner would get way more freedom and playing time than he did in Edmonton. I really think Penner can be a 55+ point scorer year in year out, and while he's not a model all around player, he brings more to the table than Stepniak. I don't know if Edmonton does this though; Penner will be given a new opportunity under Quinn. While its unclear how much, its obvious that MacT held back Penner. If he held him back from being a 45 point scorer or a 65 point scorer isn't known, but when you factor in the 3rd I think Edmonton would probably prefer to give Penner a chance. If both continue as they have been going, maybe this makes a bit more sense mid-way through the year.

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I don't think a 3rd rounder adds enough value to make this deal work for Burkie. I'd also like to give Penner one more shot under a new coaching staff. I don't see Penner being moved before the start of the season and i'm fine with that. LS doesn't entice me enough to want to sweeten the pot either.

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To TOR: Dustin Penner, 3rd rounder
To EDM: Lee Stempniak

I know Burke said that Penner was not worth 4.25 million/season when he didn't match his offer sheet two years ago, but at the time he was the GM of a Ducks team that was right up against the cap.

In Toronto, he currently has a ton of cap room, and although Penner makes 750k more than Stempniak and has an extra year (hence the Oilers add a 3rd rounder), I think Burke would consider bringing back his former player.

Both are the same age and had bad seasons last year (Penner: 17 goals and 37 points, Stempniak: 14 goals and 44 points) and could use a change of scenery.
Burke trades for Penner after absolutely destroying Lowe for signing him to that contract?

lol

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08-11-2009, 10:47 AM
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It really depends on how badly the Oilers want to get out of Penner's contract. Stempniak is expiring after this year and could produce similar numbers to Penner, though Penner has long term upside and could flourish in Toronto. I think Edmonton will give Penner another year, though this is a solid deal if they don't think he can rebound.

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just throwing it out there but the leafs do not have that much cap room, at all

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Stempniak is a free agent after this season. His hit is 2.5 million. Penner has 2 years on his contract after this year and has a cap hit of 4.250. I doubt that Burke would be interested in making that kind of long term cap crushing commitment.

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IMO Finger would have to go back in any proposal that brought in Penner, since Edmonton would probably say no I don't see a deal working.

EDIT - I might also make a trade centred around Blake and Penner.


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08-11-2009, 11:24 AM
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Stempniak is a free agent after this season. His hit is 2.5 million. Penner has 2 years on his contract after this year and has a cap hit of 4.250. I doubt that Burke would be interested in making that kind of long term cap crushing commitment.
Agree... keep Stempniak and then trade him for a pick at the deadline.

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Finger for Penner or no go.

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Finger for Penner or no go.
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Agree... keep Stempniak and then trade him for a pick at the deadline.
If he plays like last year, the Leafs could get a 3rd round pick for him at the dealine.

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Finger for Penner or no go.
Finger and what?

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this.
If there is a contract in the league that is worse than Penner's and was a more stupid signing, it is Finger

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If there is a contract in the league that is worse than Penner's and was a more stupid signing, it is Finger
I agree that the contract is worse and he brings less value-for-money than Penner does, but the 1st, 2nd and 3rd rounders lost mean, unequivocally, that the Penner signing was worse.

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just throwing it out there but the leafs do not have that much cap room, at all
dude... yeah we do... according to NHL numbers.com, we have about 6mil left and we'd only be taking on another 750k. Do your homework before you post.

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Ya no thanks. I'd rather see what Stemps can do a full year with the Leafs first.

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Finger for Penner or no go.
I will second that trade for sure and that would be the only way i would want the Leafs to get Penner.


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IMO Finger would have to go back in any proposal that brought in Penner, since Edmonton would probably say no I don't see a deal working.

EDIT - I might also make a trade centred around Blake and Penner.
I wouldn't...Blake is better and their contracts expire the same time.

Finger + Stemps

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Penner + pick

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dude... yeah we do... according to NHL numbers.com, we have about 6mil left and we'd only be taking on another 750k. Do your homework before you post.
TEAM PAYROLL / BONUSES / CAP SPACE / SIGNED

TOR $58,888,332 / $7,400,000 / $2,171,668 / 23

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dude... yeah we do... according to NHL numbers.com, we have about 6mil left and we'd only be taking on another 750k. Do your homework before you post.
I'm not arguing...but nhlnumbers doesn't have Bozak added yet...

even still...we'd have the cap room to take on Penner if Stemps or Finger went the other way.

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08-11-2009, 01:33 PM
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Ya no thanks. I'd rather see what Stemps can do a full year with the Leafs first.
i agree, give stempniak a full year in a leafs uniform. Im positive he can put up roughly 18-24goals and 40-46points imo.

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TEAM PAYROLL / BONUSES / CAP SPACE / SIGNED

TOR $58,888,332 / $7,400,000 / $2,171,668 / 23

as per capgeek.com

If you look closely at the numbers, the Leafs have lots of room to make some adjustments. The leafs have several young players with bonuses, and they have several young guys looking to make the team who have low salaries. From Cap Geek, replace MVR with Frogren, or replace Mayers with Tlusty and they are fine. The leafs may not have elite talent, but they do have depth, so they can replace anyone with a cheaper player if they wish.

Also, Cap Geek uses 8 defenceman in their numbers, which should easily be 7 on this team, as White, Schenn, Finger, Kaberle, Komi and Beauch should dress, and 1 guy in the press box. That leaves XLB at $1.4 million, or MVR at $3 million.

As for the original proposal, well, I'd rather let Stemp try to come back, and/or have the cap space next year instead of having Penner.

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To TOR: Dustin Penner, 3rd rounder
To EDM: Lee Stempniak

I know Burke said that Penner was not worth 4.25 million/season when he didn't match his offer sheet two years ago, but at the time he was the GM of a Ducks team that was right up against the cap.

In Toronto, he currently has a ton of cap room, and although Penner makes 750k more than Stempniak and has an extra year (hence the Oilers add a 3rd rounder), I think Burke would consider bringing back his former player.

Both are the same age and had bad seasons last year (Penner: 17 goals and 37 points, Stempniak: 14 goals and 44 points) and could use a change of scenery.
From a Leafs POV, no thanks. I wouldn't waste 4+ million in cap space on Penner.

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If there is a contract in the league that is worse than Penner's and was a more stupid signing, it is Finger
UFA defensemen get overpaid....thus with Finger, makes 3.5...that contract doesn't bother me much...but how about Horcoff, is he worth 7 million?

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