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08-11-2009, 12:22 PM
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Bailey or Little

Who will be better long term (points)?

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08-11-2009, 12:59 PM
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Little, not really close.

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Little, not really close.
Points wise it could actually be very close. Goals wise, I think Little takes this easily, but on the basis of points, they're both going to be in the same range.

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08-11-2009, 01:02 PM
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You cant really compare a shut down player vs a goal/playmaker

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08-11-2009, 01:06 PM
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You cant really compare a shut down player vs a goal/playmaker
This is Josh Bailey we're talking about, right?

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08-11-2009, 01:10 PM
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Little will run away with the goal total.

Both maybe very close in points though.

I like what Little brings to the table.

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08-11-2009, 01:18 PM
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Little will run away with the goal total.

Both maybe very close in points though.

I like what Little brings to the table.
Little will likely be a consistent 30-35 goal scorer with 70-80 point potential. With the ability to play center and the wing, he's definitely a valuable player.

Bailey is definitely more of a playmaker and he's going to probably be a 20G 70+ point player, but he's also a very responsible player and there's a lot to like about his game.

I know Bailey takes a ton of flak on this board and I think a lot of it is unwarranted. He's going to quietly develop into a very good player in the NHL.

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08-11-2009, 01:22 PM
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Little is a much better all around player. He is definitely a better goal scorer and equal in playmaking. If not better.

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Little will likely be a consistent 30-35 goal scorer with 70-80 point potential. With the ability to play center and the wing, he's definitely a valuable player.

Bailey is definitely more of a playmaker and he's going to probably be a 20G 70+ point player, but he's also a very responsible player and there's a lot to like about his game.

I know Bailey takes a ton of flak on this board and I think a lot of it is unwarranted. He's going to quietly develop into a very good player in the NHL.
I think they will both be very good players....I like Little's speed I don't remember Bailey being all that quick.

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Little is a much better all around player. He is definitely a better goal scorer and equal in playmaking. If not better.
I don't really agree that Little is the better all around player. Bailey is very responsible defensively, and will only get better. You have to remember that Bailey played as a 19 year old last season, and when Little was 19, he was still in Barrie.

In two seasons, I would be very surprised if Bailey doesn't eclipse 50+ points like Little did this past year.

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08-11-2009, 01:30 PM
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I'm from Barrie, so I guess I'm Biased.... I'd choose Little.

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08-11-2009, 01:39 PM
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Little will likely be a consistent 30-35 goal scorer with 70-80 point potential. With the ability to play center and the wing, he's definitely a valuable player.

Bailey is definitely more of a playmaker and he's going to probably be a 20G 70+ point player, but he's also a very responsible player and there's a lot to like about his game.
That's pretty much how I see both of their potential totals panning out as.

Little's got a better goal scoring touch, but IMO, Bailey's got more potential as a playmaker.

I think what makes it difficult to project Bailey is that he's coming off a rookie season playing on the worst team in hockey, and had very little offensive support around him.

I think this year will give a better indication of Bailey's abilities, as not only will the Isles offense likely improve with Tavares around, and guys like Okposo a year older/better, but Bailey will likely be given more responsibility to show what he can do.

At this point in time, if you put aside age, experience, point in their development, etc., I'd lean toward Little, if for no other reason than he's proven he can pot 30+ goals. Bailey's still all "potential".

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Both are great young players. Wouldn't complain about having either on my team!

But at this point, I would have to say Little since he certainly represents a first line threat every time he is on the ice. Bailey has great offensive skills too but I'd say he is a very good second liner.

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08-11-2009, 01:59 PM
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Bailey got pushed around quite a bit for the majority of his first season here but he wasn't pushed off the puck as easily by the end of the season so his strength was improving. At the Islanders prospect camp he was said to be noticeably bulked up.

25 points in 68 games from a kid who just turned 19 to start the season and was physically not developed yet isn't too shabby.

His strength was his most noticeable weakness other than passing when he should shoot in prime scoring areas. Needed work in the face-off circle as well. A lot of his problems can be fixed with conditioning and experience and he seems driven to learn as well as train.

Pretty hard to compare the players at this time they're practically 2 years apart in age. I'd say give Bailey some time this season playing at a reasonable size and then you could attempt to make an educated guess at his future production.

Also, I know Little is a great playmaker but I wouldn't want to argue against Bailey in the near future.

Watch the play that starts at 1:18 (great effort by Okposo and Bailey) or just watch the whole KO video .



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I don't really agree that Little is the better all around player. Bailey is very responsible defensively, and will only get better. You have to remember that Bailey played as a 19 year old last season, and when Little was 19, he was still in Barrie.

In two seasons, I would be very surprised if Bailey doesn't eclipse 50+ points like Little did this past year.
I don't really feel like running the numbers, and i certainly think Bailey's situation is not remotely close to Little's. Just because Little was older and in a better situation and outperformed Little does not mean a thing. What does mean something is that Little has outperformed Bailey at every age (albeit not by a whole lot in terms of points), and already proven that he can do it in the NHL.

Though in the end, i have to agree we're mostly splitting hairs here.

So, in the case of splitting hairs, i'm going to go with the player with the better season as a 15 year old (because that's what defines a good prospect):

Little: 34g, 24a, 58 Pts in 64 GP in OHL - Barrie.
Bailey: 7g, 19a, 26 Pts in 55 GP in OHL - Owen.

Little wins.

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08-11-2009, 08:18 PM
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I don't really feel like running the numbers, and i certainly think Bailey's situation is not remotely close to Little's. Just because Little was older and in a better situation and outperformed Little does not mean a thing. What does mean something is that Little has outperformed Bailey at every age (albeit not by a whole lot in terms of points), and already proven that he can do it in the NHL.

Though in the end, i have to agree we're mostly splitting hairs here.

So, in the case of splitting hairs, i'm going to go with the player with the better season as a 15 year old (because that's what defines a good prospect):

Little: 34g, 24a, 58 Pts in 64 GP in OHL - Barrie.
Bailey: 7g, 19a, 26 Pts in 55 GP in OHL - Owen.

Little wins.

I can't tell if you're joking... You are comparing two prospects who are now 19, and have experienced leaps and bounds of developments since they were 15, what a horrible way to decide who's better.

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08-11-2009, 10:08 PM
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I don't really feel like running the numbers, and i certainly think Bailey's situation is not remotely close to Little's. Just because Little was older and in a better situation and outperformed Little does not mean a thing. What does mean something is that Little has outperformed Bailey at every age (albeit not by a whole lot in terms of points), and already proven that he can do it in the NHL.

Though in the end, i have to agree we're mostly splitting hairs here.

So, in the case of splitting hairs, i'm going to go with the player with the better season as a 15 year old (because that's what defines a good prospect):

Little: 34g, 24a, 58 Pts in 64 GP in OHL - Barrie.
Bailey: 7g, 19a, 26 Pts in 55 GP in OHL - Owen.

Little wins.
What?

First of all they were 16 that season, and second of all, what?

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So, in the case of splitting hairs, i'm going to go with the player with the better season as a 15 year old (because that's what defines a good prospect)
I'm ... not sure how you came to that conclusion?

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I'm ... not sure how you came to that conclusion?
He really needed a at the end of it I think.

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I can't tell if you're joking... You are comparing two prospects who are now 19, and have experienced leaps and bounds of developments since they were 15, what a horrible way to decide who's better.
and just to add to this....

Josh Bailey (starting in the NHL 9 days after he turned 19)
2006-2007
GP G A Pts
68 7 18 25
(.37 PPG)
Bryan Little (starting in the NHL a week before turning 20)
2007-2008
GP G A Pts
48 6 10 16
(.33 PPG)

So I believe wisdom would suggest to give Bailey a bit more time prior to guessing his regular output.

Edit - I guess I could have played the sarcasm game too and projected Bailey's entire career from these numbers, but I think I'm still trying to take the thread seriously. 2nd Edit - Possibly too seriously .

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I'm from Barrie, so I guess I'm Biased.... I'd choose Little.
Same applies for me.

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I'm ... not sure how you came to that conclusion?
Oh you should see his point projection system. Apparently since Grachev put up 80 points in 60 games he's a lock for 77 points in the NHL by 2013. Crazy how he figures this stuff out!

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