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I dunno. I don't know if Dudley would do that or not. I don't think I would.
What about
Krog and Vishnevski
for
Huselius, 6th
Keep in mind that Kristian still has some value.
Would ANA deal Smirnov???
Krog, Vishnevski, Salei, Chistov, and Smirnov are the 5 guys that I would want to base trades around between FLA and ANA. Murray loves those Murray era cats like Huselius, Jokinen, and Kozlov.
I dunno. I don't know if Dudley would do that or not. I don't think I would.
What about
Krog and Vishnevski
for
Huselius, 6th
Keep in mind that Kristian still has some value.
Would ANA deal Smirnov???
Krog, Vishnevski, Salei, Chistov, and Smirnov are the 5 guys that I would want to base trades around between FLA and ANA. Murray loves those Murray era cats like Huselius, Jokinen, and Kozlov.
I think that Huselius is about equal to Vish. Krog is valuable but is not too offensive. That's his problem.
I disagree. I think Vish's trade value exceed Huselius by a fairly substantial margin. A more reasonable deal (if the Ducks wanted Huselius - which I doubt) would be Huselius and a 2nd for Vish straight up.
I dunno. I don't know if Dudley would do that or not. I don't think I would.
What about
Krog and Vishnevski
for
Huselius, 6th
Keep in mind that Kristian still has some value.
Would ANA deal Smirnov???
Krog, Vishnevski, Salei, Chistov, and Smirnov are the 5 guys that I would want to base trades around between FLA and ANA. Murray loves those Murray era cats like Huselius, Jokinen, and Kozlov.
I think we don't know eachothers teams very well.
Vishnevski has way more value to Anaheim than Huselius would.
That sorta trade would be horrible for Anaheim.
Anaheim would deal Smirnov though. I'd prefer to move Smirnov in a package for a young defensmen though. Huselius doesn't really solve any of our needs. I only got interested in the idea of trading for him when Krogs name was mentioned.
NYR would gladly offer Florida an early second round pick for Huselius. IMO he would be a nice fit on the rebuilding Rangers, perhaps on a line with Jagr? I think there may be some interest in Labarbera as well from Floridas POV.
NYR would gladly offer Florida an early second round pick for Huselius. IMO he would be a nice fit on the rebuilding Rangers, perhaps on a line with Jagr? I think there may be some interest in Labarbera as well from Floridas POV.
sorry- you better pony up more than that for huselius. i also think that the rangers are a very poor fit for kristian. he's much better off going to a team out west, especially one that has stable and smart management
sorry- you better pony up more than that for huselius. i also think that the rangers are a very poor fit for kristian. he's much better off going to a team out west, especially one that has stable and smart management
Ranger hater!
Also with the season Huselius had, I'd expect for them to get similiar offers for Kristian. They can draft and address one of their other needs with that pick.
Florida and St. Louis had some discussions at the trade deadline invovling Huselius. Rumored had Florida asking to Shkotov or Walker and some mid-round draft pick.
As that was at the Trade deadline where most teams overpay for players, I don't think his value will be as high. The fact that Sullivan went for 2 2nds is more of what I think Huselius's value will be, in fact, I would expect him to go for a 2nd (04)and a 6th ('05). Keep in mind that at the draft most players have very little value. (Stillman went for a late 2nd last season).
I know people say that he hasn't lived up to expectation, but who says those expectations are unrealistic and that his current play is more indicative of the type of player he is?
Florida and St. Louis had some discussions at the trade deadline invovling Huselius. Rumored had Florida asking to Shkotov or Walker and some mid-round draft pick.
As that was at the Trade deadline where most teams overpay for players, I don't think his value will be as high. The fact that Sullivan went for 2 2nds is more of what I think Huselius's value will be, in fact, I would expect him to go for a 2nd (04)and a 6th ('05). Keep in mind that at the draft most players have very little value. (Stillman went for a late 2nd last season).
I know people say that he hasn't lived up to expectation, but who says those expectations are unrealistic and that his current play is more indicative of the type of player he is?
I agree. He does have some elite offensive skills, but that doens't mean he has the capacity to put all those skills together, or the grit or intensity to be a scorer in the NHL. I'm not saying he doens't, but he clearly has a whole lot to prove.
I know people say that he hasn't lived up to expectation, but who says those expectations are unrealistic and that his current play is more indicative of the type of player he is?
Not even close...have you seen him play? The hands this kid has are only matched around the league by the likes of Hejduk, Demitra, etc. His confidence is shot, a great part due to Keenan. He needs to add weight this offseason so he doesnt get thrown around like a rag doll. His struggles arent due to a lack of effort, because he's hustling, he just doesn't believe in himself. If you watched Huselius in the first half of his rookie year(before his stomach illness), he was being mentioned in the same breath as Heatley/Kovalchuk for the Calder...in fact, I think he was outscoring both at one point...then he got sick, lost 10-15 pounds, struggled and Keenan continued to bury him mentally with his mind games...he's a mess right now, but has everything in him to become a true star.
Not even close...have you seen him play? The hands this kid has are only matched around the league by the likes of Hejduk, Demitra, etc. His confidence is shot, a great part due to Keenan. He needs to add weight this offseason so he doesnt get thrown around like a rag doll. His struggles arent due to a lack of effort, because he's hustling, he just doesn't believe in himself. If you watched Huselius in the first half of his rookie year(before his stomach illness), he was being mentioned in the same breath as Heatley/Kovalchuk for the Calder...in fact, I think he was outscoring both at one point...then he got sick, lost 10-15 pounds, struggled and Keenan continued to bury him mentally with his mind games...he's a mess right now, but has everything in him to become a true star.
First of all, he was never mentioned in the same breath as Heatley or Kovalchuk by anybody other than Cats' fans. The book on Huselius before he came to the NHL was basically the same as it is now: Lots of offensive gifts, lacks grit and strength. Even before he came to the NHL, there were a lot of questions about whether or not he could cut it in North American play.
Second, saying that the has the hands of Demitra and Hedjuk is more than a little overly optimistic. Yeah, Huselius has some offensive skills. Whether those are elite skills or not remains to be seen. Personally, having seen him play in about 40 games, I don't think his hands are at close to that level. I see a soft 25 - 30 goal scorer if he puts it all together. But, IN MY OPINION (i.e., a pure projection - not making any certain statements whatsoever and not making any absolute projections) he is not even going to do that.
First of all, he was never mentioned in the same breath as Heatley or Kovalchuk by anybody other than Cats' fans. The book on Huselius before he came to the NHL was basically the same as it is now: Lots of offensive gifts, lacks grit and strength. Even before he came to the NHL, there were a lot of questions about whether or not he could cut it in North American play.
Second, saying that the has the hands of Demitra and Hedjuk is more than a little overly optimistic. Yeah, Huselius has some offensive skills. Whether those are elite skills or not remains to be seen. Personally, having seen him play in about 40 games, I don't think his hands are at close to that level. I see a soft 25 - 30 goal scorer if he puts it all together. But, IN MY OPINION (i.e., a pure projection - not making any certain statements whatsoever and not making any absolute projections) he is not even going to do that.
Well, Huselius was scoring at a rate that probably would have won him the Calder before he got some sick stomach virus, lost a lot of weight, etc.
I am at a loss with Huselius, just as I am with Kozlov. Both players have all the skill in the world but can't do a thing with it.
Well, Huselius was scoring at a rate that probably would have won him the Calder before he got some sick stomach virus, lost a lot of weight, etc.
I am at a loss with Huselius, just as I am with Kozlov. Both players have all the skill in the world but can't do a thing with it.
Lots of players get hot for a while.
I agree with you completely about the comparison with Kozlov. Both were extremely talented players who didn't seem to put it together. I watched Kozlov completely undress a dman on more than one occassion and I wast disappointed that he did not every get his head together.
In Huselius' defense, he doesn't really seem to lack effort (which was Kozlov's problem, IMO). With Huselius, it is more an issue of grit and physical play. Under the right circumstances, he could still be a player. Otherwise, he could go the Mariusz Czerkawski route - score under the right circumstances but disappear in others.
Thanks for the tip, but teams can make trades during the off-season, right? Right?
Teams can make trades right now. If they do so the players in question would be ineligible for the rest of season/playoffs. Obviously non-playoff teams could trade with no side-effects.
I agree with you completely about the comparison with Kozlov. Both were extremely talented players who didn't seem to put it together. I watched Kozlov completely undress a dman on more than one occassion and I wast disappointed that he did not every get his head together.
In Huselius' defense, he doesn't really seem to lack effort (which was Kozlov's problem, IMO). With Huselius, it is more an issue of grit and physical play. Under the right circumstances, he could still be a player. Otherwise, he could go the Mariusz Czerkawski route - score under the right circumstances but disappear in others.
Ahh.. The Kozlov undressings.. We Panther fans have seen him do it so many times. Doesn't matter who the dman is, Kozlov had the ability to make him look stupid. Not to mention the awesome shot he has which never gets used. I have heard that in practice, Kozlov takes to dmen and stickhandles with them. I have seen him handle the puck for about 45 seconds untouched during a game. But just like Huselius, for every great play, he has 2 games of nothing.
Being a good hockey player isn't about having the best shot, or being able to stickhandle in a phone booth or making d-man look stupid.
It's more about being smart, getting into high scoring areas, being able to take abuse. If you do all of that then skills start to come in, but look at Brett Hull and Luc Robitaille, probably the 2 best players in the NHL at their positions in the 90's (RW and LW), neither of these guys were super fancy, they just went into high scoring areas and found open ice.
Its frustrating to here fans talk all day about how good Player A's tools are, but tools mean nothing if you dont have a toolbox and you dont know how to use them.
People are not going to give up a ton for a 26 year old man entering his 4th year, who has averged 77 GP, 17G, 22A, 39 Pts. Those are pretty poor stats for a purely offensive player who wouldn't exactly excel in a checking role. Florida would probably be better off keeping Huselius, unless they want a Kozlov type crap return for him.
HUselius had the instinct of where to be on the ice to score goals. He also had all the skill in the world. Hopefully, if he plays for team Sweden, he can score a few and get his confidence back. I expect no less than 20 goals next season. HE had a bit of an excuse this year with Keenan and Dudley and all of the coaching changes, but over the summer, he should be able to get Keenan fully out of his system.
Being a good hockey player isn't about having the best shot, or being able to stickhandle in a phone booth or making d-man look stupid.
It's more about being smart, getting into high scoring areas, being able to take abuse. If you do all of that then skills start to come in, but look at Brett Hull and Luc Robitaille, probably the 2 best players in the NHL at their positions in the 90's (RW and LW), neither of these guys were super fancy, they just went into high scoring areas and found open ice.
Its frustrating to here fans talk all day about how good Player A's tools are, but tools mean nothing if you dont have a toolbox and you dont know how to use them.
People are not going to give up a ton for a 26 year old man entering his 4th year, who has averged 77 GP, 17G, 22A, 39 Pts. Those are pretty poor stats for a purely offensive player who wouldn't exactly excel in a checking role. Florida would probably be better off keeping Huselius, unless they want a Kozlov type crap return for him.
Generally, I agree with what you are saying. Talking about a player's skill level is nearly irrelevant, if you don't take those other issues into account. But, I think you are under estimating Huselius' trade value. He won't bring huge return, true. But, there are probably quite a few GMs who would be willing to take a chance with him.
