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08-13-2009, 07:02 PM
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With the recent news of Vancouver maybe being a player in the Heatley trade, I think this would be A fair offer.

To VAN: (7.5 MIL)
Heatley


To OTT: (5.75 MIL)
Alexandre Burrows
Kevin Bieksa
1st Round '10

Fair Value?

I know that Canucks fans may think Heatley is worth less, but chances are that Heatley outscores them both next year.

Imagine

Heatley-Sedin-Sedin

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As a Canucks fan I think the value is good.

The problem is that Vancouver really cant be giving up any defencemen right now. In fact, we need to acquire one.

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08-13-2009, 07:06 PM
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For any Heatley-Canucks trade to happen, Demitra MUST be involved for salary cap purposes.

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08-13-2009, 07:06 PM
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Can't trade Bieksa.

Right now we have Aaron Rome as our 6th defenseman. That's how pathetic our defense is right now.

Plus you have to take Demitra no matter what in order for this to work.

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I still say it's overpayment by Vancouver. The Value is close, but just the fact that Vancouver is looking for a Defenceman and in that particular deal we are dealing yet another Dman makes it silly to me. Burrows is signed to an AMAZING contract and what Bieksa brings to the table for the amount he signed to is a real good bang for the buck. Heatley is damn good. Don't get me wrong, but that being said, like it has been said many, many...MANY times. He handcuffs Vancouver next year for salary...Luongo's and Kesler's contracts are up next year and one if not both are due for a raise. Combining with a probable salary cap decline, i don't think Vancouver can afford to lose two key role players.

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I think the value is fair, but as other people have already said there's no way we can trade a dman, and Demitra has to be going the other way unless a 3rd party like Pheonix wants to put up a 7th-5th pick for him

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I think Heatley is the type of player the Canucks need to put themselves on top. I agree that Demitra has to come back in the trade. But what else could the Canucks add to draw the attention of the Sens?

Demitra + Bernier + 1st in 2010 + Grabner ???

Not sure Murray is interested in that package, but who knows ?

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08-13-2009, 07:22 PM
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Replace Burrows with Demitra and I'd consider it. But that said, the Canucks are already in need of a solid #4/5 d-man, moving Bieksa and taking on Heatley's contract will only make it that much worse. On top of that, I don't see a feasible way the Canucks can acquire Heatley going forward unless Luongo is on the way out.

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08-13-2009, 07:22 PM
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For any Heatley-Canucks trade to happen, Demitra MUST be involved for salary cap purposes.
He goes to a third party for prospects/picks.

OP your trade is reasonable. Better than the Raymond/Demitra offers in the other thread.

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08-13-2009, 07:25 PM
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I wouldn't mind but the Canucks need a d-man coming back as well that's cheap...

If we did this we'd have no cap space and 2 holes on defense.

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For any Heatley-Canucks trade to happen, Demitra MUST be involved for salary cap purposes.
Demitra could be moved later but moving Bieksa and Burrows would know off $5.75 mil this and next year, next year being more important.

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08-13-2009, 07:30 PM
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Heatley
Lee/Campoli

for

Demitra
Bernier
Schneider
Grabner

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Heatley
Lee/Campoli

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Demitra
Bernier
Schneider
Grabner
But why would they want Schneider? They have Elliot who is young and NHL proven, and just got Leclaire.

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But why would they want Schneider? They have Elliot who is young and NHL proven, and just got Leclaire.
A Senators fan would have to answer that question. I'm just a Leaf fan who thinks the Nucks have a good chance of winning the cup next season, Heatley improves those odds. Elliot and Leclaire is the equivalent of Mason and Conklin in STL IMO, their not much to brag about. Schneider on the other hand has alot more potential and could be their goalie of the future.

I also think a pick would have to be added to my proposal (late 1st).

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To Sens:
Demitra, Hodgson, Grabner

To Nucks:
Heatley, Picard, Donovan

yay or nay?

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To Sens:
Demitra, Hodgson, Grabner

To Nucks:
Heatley, Picard, Donovan

yay or nay?
nay. I don't think there is anyway the Canucks move Hodgson at this point, short of a large overpayment.

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To Sens:
Demitra, Hodgson, Grabner

To Nucks:
Heatley, Picard, Donovan

yay or nay?
Hodgson will not be going the other way. Ever. We keep him over Heatley any day of the week.

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08-13-2009, 08:25 PM
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Really?

I don't know where people on here seem to get their magical ideas from. The original trade posted is about right as is. If Demitra was added in it would be as a salary dump only. He has no significant value in a trade with only 1 year left on a high salary contract with his age and injury prone issues. He could also be dumped to another team.

VAN:
Bieksa OR Edler
Burrows OR Kesler
Demitra OR Prospect OR Pick

OTT:
Heatley

Not sure exactly what Van's cap space is right now but it looks like about 5M so we don't have to take Demitra in the trade. They could always toss him to someone else for a low pick if we don't want him. He's not useless like Cheechoo.

Whoever gets him is going to have to beat the Buffalo offer Sens Chirp reported otherwise he'll be wearing a Sens jersey come this fall which I'd be quite fine with and so would Murray.

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08-13-2009, 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by GoSenators11 View Post
With the recent news of Vancouver maybe being a player in the Heatley trade, I think this would be A fair offer.

To VAN: (7.5 MIL)
Heatley


To OTT: (5.75 MIL)
Alexandre Burrows
Kevin Bieksa
1st Round '10

Fair Value?

I know that Canucks fans may think Heatley is worth less, but chances are that Heatley outscores them both next year.

Imagine

Heatley-Sedin-Sedin
What if you add Smith, Swap Burrows for Demitra/Raymond

So

Heatley + Smith

for

Demitra, Raymond, Bieksa, 1st Round Pick

???

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08-13-2009, 08:36 PM
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I don't know where people on here seem to get their magical ideas from. The original trade posted is about right as is. If Demitra was added in it would be as a salary dump only. He has no significant value in a trade with only 1 year left on a high salary contract with his age and injury prone issues. He could also be dumped to another team.

VAN:
Bieksa OR Edler
Burrows OR Kesler
Demitra OR Prospect OR Pick

OTT:
Heatley

Not sure exactly what Van's cap space is right now but it looks like about 5M so we don't have to take Demitra in the trade. They could always toss him to someone else for a low pick if we don't want him. He's not useless like Cheechoo.

Whoever gets him is going to have to beat the Buffalo offer Sens Chirp reported otherwise he'll be wearing a Sens jersey come this fall which I'd be quite fine with and so would Murray.

You pretty much said it right. ( Vancouver only as around 3.5 MIL though)

I think as of now that Murray is pushing heatley pretty hard to accept that deal from Buffalo, but if that move doesn't work, With the deadline tomorrow, I expect Vancouver to out up a last ditch offer of something like this:

To OTT:
Burrows
Bernier
Wellwood

To VAN:
Dany Heatley


Is another player needed from OTT?

Also, I think Kesler is an untouchable from a Canucks POV, or at least, we aren't going to fetch him plus another decent player.

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08-13-2009, 08:50 PM
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You pretty much said it right. ( Vancouver only as around 3.5 MIL though)

I think as of now that Murray is pushing heatley pretty hard to accept that deal from Buffalo, but if that move doesn't work, With the deadline tomorrow, I expect Vancouver to out up a last ditch offer of something like this:

To OTT:
Burrows
Bernier
Wellwood

To VAN:
Dany Heatley


Is another player needed from OTT?

Also, I think Kesler is an untouchable from a Canucks POV, or at least, we aren't going to fetch him plus another decent player.
Selke finalist vs Heatley? Heatley's a great player, but Kesler makes 1.75 mill this year. Kesler won't be involved in any deal.

He's a huge fan favorite here too ( look at my name + avatar )

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What if you add Smith, Swap Burrows for Demitra/Raymond

So

Heatley + Smith

for

Demitra, Raymond, Bieksa, 1st Round Pick

???
Don't see them doing it.

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Canucks just really aren't interested in Heatley. I think the whole 'Canucks are interested' is a media frenzy to generate hits. It just doesn't make sense for Vancouver to acquire Heatley.

He doesn't fit with Gillis. Canucks dont have the 'Win now' pieces that he's worth, and have huge holes at D, they don't need forwards.

This is nothing against Heatley's value, he's one of the best. He just makes no sense for Vancouver.

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So Cody Hodgson is worth more than Dany Heatley these days? Interesting.

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