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Uhm... No, it's not. Toews >>> Koivu, Seabrook >>> Schultz, and Cuma > Hjarm.
You're just incorrect.
Toews may have a higher scoring ceiling than Koivu, but Koivu is a better playmaker, twice the two-way player Toews is, and is always hardest worker on the ice, every night. Players like Koivu are what you need to win in the playoffs. Not to mention that Koivu, like Toews, is the Wild's captain.
Again, Seabrook has a higher offensive ceiling than Schultz, but Schultz is a fantastic shut-down defender, with great speed and he very rarely makes a mistakes. Seabrook, while a more physical player than Schultz, makes a ton more mistakes on the ice than Schultz.
Man, proposed deals like this really expose how barren the cupboard really is with the Wild....... From a depth perspective, I just can't see the Wild making this deal, even if Heatley is the supposed "best" player in the deal.
I will be the first to call ******** on this one. Absolutly terrible for Minny
I agree, how many times do you see a team sign someone only to trade them away before they have even played a game for them? probably very few times if ever and thats in all of sports not just the NHL.
MK has a enormous value for the wild and the rest of the names mentioned would make this a steal for the sens and almost highway robbery for the wild considering the hard time the sens are having dealing him and the way that affects his value overall.
LoL@ the Minnesota fan who considers Heatley for Koivu a "lateral" move.
Koivu is not in the same league.
This.
Koivu isn't in the same league and it's not even close.He hasn't even hit 70 points yet, and we have homers saying they wouldn't trade him straight up for Heatley, or saying he is equal to Toews
You've got to score to win. But to value guys solely (or even mainly) based on point production in the salary cap era is just absolutely ignorant.
Nick Schultz doesn't score much - so I guess that makes him less valued than a Zidlicky or Delmore?
Also - it's pretty difficult to compare Koivu's production, playing on one of the most conservative team teams in the league, to Heatley when Dany played on the Senators who led the league in scoring (for his 50 goals years at least, which is what everyone points to when setting his value).
Koivu isn't in the same league and it's not even close.He hasn't even hit 70 points yet, and we have homers saying they wouldn't trade him straight up for Heatley, or saying he is equal to Toews
In terms of talent, Heatley blows Koivu away, that's obvious.
But in terms of overall value to the club, Minnesota values Koivu a lot more than they value Heatley, who's trade value is down at this point anyway.
Think about it there were two deals in place that almost went through for Heatley...
Rozsival, Zherdev, and McDonagh for Heatley (Done until Murray asked for Dubinsky last minute)
and
Cogliano, Penner, and Smid for Heatley (Heatley vetoed the trade)
Would you trade Mikko Koivu - who is undeniably the best forward of all of the aforementioned - for Heatley, with those names having nearly gotten the deal done?
I know I wouldn't, Minnesota would be crazy to.
Bouchard, Cuma, and Clutterbuck/Gillies for Heatley is the most I'd offer if I'm Minnesota. No team needs to help Ottawa out in this situation. Murray can bluff and drive up his asking price all he wants, but the reality is that Senators management wants this guy gone by the time training camp starts so that if there is a deal, each of the NHL level players acquired in return can be familiar with the in's and out's of the team prior to the season, and they can get rid of a giant media distraction in the process.
Oh, and for Ottawa fans thinking they're getting Brent Burns in return... lay off the drugs.
He is normally the first, or one of the first to report news, and is decently reliable when dealing with rumors
senschirp is a blog that used to be pretty good but has gone very downhill over the past year. Seems to choose spewing out rumors and speculation over waiting for confirmed stuff like he used to.
You'd think a deal might get done sooner or later before the season starts, with all these Heatley's rumours.
& I'm just happy the Heatley rumour has went to the next team now
Koivu isn't in the same league and it's not even close.He hasn't even hit 70 points yet, and we have homers saying they wouldn't trade him straight up for Heatley, or saying he is equal to Toews
What's even funnier is when you have posters who haven't even seen Mikko Koivu play pretend they know what the hell they are talking about.
If you polled the GMs in the NHL, and offered them either Heatley or Mikko Koivu for nothing, the majority would take Mikko Koivu.
Koivu the complete package. If you don't know this, then you spend too much time looking at internet stats and not enought time actually watching the game of hockey.
What's even funnier is when you have posters who haven't even seen Mikko Koivu play pretend they know what the hell they are talking about.
If you polled the GMs in the NHL, and offered them either Heatley or Mikko Koivu for nothing, the majority would take Mikko Koivu.
Koivu the complete package. If you don't know this, then you spend too much time looking at internet stats and not enought time actually watching the game of hockey.
What's even funnier is when you have posters who haven't even seen Mikko Koivu play pretend they know what the hell they are talking about.
If you polled the GMs in the NHL, and offered them either Heatley or Mikko Koivu for nothing, the majority would take Mikko Koivu.
Koivu the complete package. If you don't know this, then you spend too much time looking at internet stats and not enought time actually watching the game of hockey.
I think it's fairly safe to say Heatley will be playing for the Sens this year. Isn't today Murray's self-imposed 'deadline' anyways? I just can't see anyone taking on the salary at this point.
Ottawa should take it and run. If I were Minny, I wouldn't do Koivu straight up for Heatley and if Murray told me he wanted Burns or Havlat involved in a package for Heatley, I'd be offended.
