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08-14-2009, 05:13 PM
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It's even less funny since it's not even Theodore...
D'Agostini got a check ?



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Matt D'Agostini takes a shot at Jose Theodore


http://www.nationalpost.com/sports/1...n?size=404x272
That's not Theodore. The catching glove is on the wrong hand.

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08-14-2009, 05:52 PM
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That's not Theodore. The catching glove is on the wrong hand.
that was a picture from the game he wore his glove on the wrong hand....

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Matt D'Agostini takes a shot at Jose Theodore


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for the love of god, stop!

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that was a picture from the game he wore his glove on the wrong hand....
And changed numbers?

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that was a picture from the game he wore his glove on the wrong hand....
How is that even possible

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08-14-2009, 06:18 PM
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And changed numbers?
lost luggage game ...not many heard about it

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How is that even possible
anything is possible with Theodore ...anything

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for the love of god, stop!
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08-14-2009, 07:25 PM
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500 K according to Sportsnet's ticker.

Confirmation via link: http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2009/...att_canadiens/

So we have 1.110 M of cap room not counting Chips or Max Pac and with bonuses counting in full.

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08-14-2009, 07:35 PM
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Please let this be a 2-way contract!

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500 K according to Sportsnet's ticker.

Confirmation via link: http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2009/...att_canadiens/

So we have 1.110 M of cap room not counting Chips or Max Pac and with bonuses counting in full.
I seriously doubt we begin the season with so few cap space available...

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Please let this be a 2-way contract!
2 way contact ?



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08-14-2009, 07:53 PM
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I seriously doubt we begin the season with so few cap space available...
Frovolov will take a pay cut to come to Montreal ...im sure of it

ill call him and ask him ...hows 950,000 sound?

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One year contract, financial terms of the agreement were not disclosed
http://canadiens.nhl.com/team/app/?s...ticleid=470035
id like to confirm D'Agostini signing

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LMAO DM wins this thread

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Please let this be a 2-way contract!
I believe it is on TSN pages they say he makes less if sent down

It is a two way deal

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I seriously doubt we begin the season with so few cap space available...
We have 1.6 M in a ''war chest'' so to say with the Price and S.Kostitsyn bonuses, it's more room than it appears.

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08-15-2009, 12:13 AM
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Metropolit will not be on this team come October 1, he will have been claimed on waivers or buried in the minors. And also BGL will be on LTI giving us 2.5 Million in additional cap space.

(13)
Gomez Gionta AKost
Cammalleri Plekanec Pacioretty or SKost
Latendresse Lapierre Moen
D'Agostini Chipchura Stewart
Maxwell

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Markov Mara
Hamirlik Spacek
Gorges Gill
O'Byrne

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Price
Halak

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Food for toughts.
Given the 21 points in 53 games, if he had played the same minutes and same number as Lapierre he would had 32 points.

Of course Lapierre is better defensively. He played more SH and less PP.

Just thinking that it would be good to start a thread about the spots available in our rooster for young players.
How many spots for Subban, Weber and Carle?
How many spots for D'Ago, MaxPac, Stewart, Maxwell and Chipchura?

Do we really need Gill and Metropolit?
Could be keep those spots and try a young guy for the whole season.
Flip them if needed be.
D'Agostini can't play defense and Lapierre is one of our steadiest forwards defensively, comparing their point totals is futile since Lapierre brings so much more. D'Agostini is useless if he can't score goals, if he wants to stay on the roster he needs to make sure he isn't a liability or he needs to produce frantically to compensate.

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08-15-2009, 12:43 AM
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Metropolit will not be on this team come October 1, he will have been claimed on waivers or buried in the minors.
Why? He's a better center than Chipchura and Maxwell would be wasted on a fourth line.

Chipchura is awful at faceoffs. He'll have to improve a lot in that area if he wants to be a center in the NHL. Right now, I'd take Metropolit over him without a doubt. You want all your centers to be good enough to win faceoffs, including the fourth line center, and Chipchura just doesn't deliver. He would be better off as a winger.

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I'm going to cut out your comments about the forwards, just to point out a problem in your logic here.

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Food for toughts.

Just thinking that it would be good to start a thread about the spots available in our rooster for young players.
How many spots for Subban, Weber and Carle?

Do we really need Gill?
Could be keep those spots and try a young guy for the whole season.
Flip them if needed be.
Without Gill, the D would look like:

Markov - Mara
Hamr - Spacek
Gorges - O'Byrne

Let's hypothetically say that one of the veterans gets injured (Hamr for example). The D would then look like:

Markov - Mara
Gorges - Spacek
Weber (I know he's not LD, but he's ahead of Subban for now)- O'Byrne

One injury puts O'B and an unproven kid in the line-up full time. I could live with that, but it probably wouldn't be pretty.

Let's say two of the veterans get injured (Hamr and Gorges for example). Then the D looks like:

Markov - Mara
Weber - Spacek
Subban or Carle - O'byrne

One of O'B or Weber is instantly on the PK. O'B and two unproven kids are in the line-up full time. One of O'B, Weber, Carle or Subban is playing top four minutes. This situation is a lot more likely to be disastrous in both the short and long-term. Everything would have to play out perfectly for this D to play well and gain confidence.

Now, let's look at the exact same two injury situation with Gill on the roster:

Markov - Mara
Gill - Spacek
Weber - O'Byrne

Once again, it wouldn't be pretty but it's extremely likely that the Habs' D would be a lot better off than they would be without Gill. It's not like this hypothetical situation is a far reach either (think Bouillon, Markov and Schneider in the playoffs last year).

Although the Metro example isn't as obvious, I think it's important to have guys like Metro and Gill to provide the necessary depth to allow prospects to learn and develop in the minors and make the step to the NHL on their own terms (when they win a spot there).


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No problem in my logic. You totally proved my point.
Especially in defense which was my greatest concern.

The only way O'Byrne, Subban, Weber or Carle will play is if one of our D is injured.
My argument is that at least one of them is NHL ready and will perform.
One injury to a defenseman will give a defensive prospect ice time. Two simultaneous injuries at any point in the season would give the two most deserving of the four young players mentioned NHL ice time. The only way that all of those guys could go the whole season without seeing a minute of ice time would be if all six of Montreal's top 6 d-men plays in each of the 82 games this season. That's not going to happen.

Barring a miraculously healthy season for this team, one of those young guys will get a chance to show his stuff in the NHL this season.

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How are we going to know?
It doesn't really matter how "we" (meaning the posters on HFboards) are going to know whether or not young players are ready for the NHL. Even if Weber and Subban start the season in Hamilton, the Habs' management and scouts will keep an eye on them. I think that Montreal's management will be able to get a good read on how they are developing, even if they aren't playing in Montreal.

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We have 82 games to test 4 players.
Exactly. The Habs have 82 games to watch and monitor the development of the young defensemen in the minors. There will be injuries at the NHL level along the way. At these times, the most deserving of those players will be able to get some action at the NHL level. If they play well enough to supplant a veteran player (which is fairly unlikely given the usual learning curve for defensive prospects), then Gainey would have an expendable asset somewhere on the roster. It's a no lose situation.

Like it or not, having solid team depth is a much better way to develop young players than rushing unproven players into a depleted line-up. It forces them to earn their role through competition, but it also allows for them to be eased in at the NHL level if need be (which is the case for the vast majority of young players).

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Didn't you guys learn your lesson last year? Do not try and cheap out on D depth!! At one point the habs had what, 2 AHLers + Breezer playing full time? It was ugly.

Planning around NO INJURIES is imprudent.

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I miss Ryder in his good seasons and Daggs is as close as you can get from Ryder except he is a better skater. I hope he gets a steady spot this year. I prefer him to SK74, he is more intense and does not create as many turnovers. I have the feeling SK74 will start the years in the minors...

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I miss Ryder in his good seasons and Daggs is as close as you can get from Ryder except he is a better skater. I hope he gets a steady spot this year. I prefer him to SK74, he is more intense and does not create as many turnovers. I have the feeling SK74 will start the years in the minors...
When you lookk at the top 6, and consider Lapierre-Latendresse-Moen a solid thrid line, I wonder as well what will happen to SKost.

It looks like a battle between SKost and Pacioretty. Should be interesting.

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When you lookk at the top 6, and consider Lapierre-Latendresse-Moen a solid thrid line, I wonder as well what will happen to SKost.

It looks like a battle between SKost and Pacioretty. Should be interesting.
The real battle is between Latendresse and Kostitsyn. Unless he improved immensely during the summer, Pacioretty is nowhere close to those two offensively.

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