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08-16-2009, 12:47 AM
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SJS and NSH goalie exchange

UPDATED (after post #5):

To SJS
G Rinne, Pekka, $0.547, UFA in 2010
D Hamhuis, Dan, $2, UFA in 2010


To NSH
G Nabokov, Evgeni, $5.375, UFA in 2010
D Vlasic, Marc-Edouard, $3.1 x 4 yrs


SJS creates almost $6 million in cap space for 2009-10. NSH gets one of the top young shutdown d-men for four years guaranteed. And if NSH's budget can't afford the hit, I'm sure SJS wouldn't be opposed to NSH dumping Dan Ellis' and his $1.75M contract on them as part of this deal.


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ORIGINAL:

To SJS
G Rinne, Pekka, $0.547, UFA in 2010

To NSH
G Nabokov, Evgeni, $5.375, UFA in 2010


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08-16-2009, 12:54 AM
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um since im a ducks fan... i would hope the sharks say no!! i like rinne

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I don't know if that would work straight up but it is interesting. What I saw from Rinne last year I liked. I think it would depend on what Wilson plans to do with Nabby and how much he would think Rinne would cost to resign.

Also I hear that Nashville is cash strapped. They have the cap room but not the bankroll to add much more salary.

All in all I think it could be the basis for some interesting proposals.

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Nashville's GM has a hearty laugh and wonders if he's being prank called.

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I dont want to be harsh but this is not a solid proposal. A young goalie with upside who has proved to be solid so far (small sample size) for an goalie on the wrong side of 30 who isn't going to get better? Obviously goalies last longer but Nashville is building for the future and Rinne will be signed for cheaper and can grow with the team. No way does Nashville do this deal.

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08-16-2009, 02:13 AM
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This is a terrible proposal for Nashville, David Poile loves Rinne and he stresses drafting and developing their own players. Rinne is going nowhere.

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I don't see why Nashville would have any interest in that. Rinne is a great goalie, so is Nabokov, but the Predators aren't exactly known for going after old and expensive soon-to-be UFAs. They aren't going to add that much salary either.

Apart from that, the Sharks have no reason to trade Vlasic in such a deal. It's not like Rinne is a proven upgrade over Nabokov. You don't deal a great young defenseman on a longterm contract for two players who will be UFAs after the season unless it's an extremely big upgrade.

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Deal and deal. Let's start the petition to Doug Wilson ...

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Nashville isn't adding 6 million to their payroll.

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Nashville can't sign Nabby for more then 4.5 mil. Not happening.

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dont think we (nashville) do it even if we could afford it. who is in goal for us next season? and i think that hamhuis can/will be signed for about the same contract as vlasic


think we will stick with what we have. and picking up a goalie that tries to clothes line tootoo constantly i dont think would go over well either

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Why would you trade Rinne right now at his contract? Makes absolutely no sense.

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This is... no. While I wouldn't mind seeing it happen seeing as though it benefits a team I like at the expense of a team I'm less fond of, I like to keep my hopes realistic.

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Nashville has waited for three years for Rinne to take over the starting job, Poile and Trotz have constantly pimped him in the media during that time, and you think they would up and trade him to take on a goaltender who, while very good in his own right, costs nearly ten times as much money (that the team absolutely could not afford) despite having the same contract length as Rinne? Art thou insaneth?

The addition of Vlasic and Hamhuis does nothing to change the fact that this is an absolutely ludicrous proposal. My answer is no, it will always be no, and I suspect Poile's answer is very similar.


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pplneed to stop thinking Nashville can take sal dumps... its NOT a case of hey thay have 15mill left on the cap...
What it really is "hey we have around 2-mill left unless we want to lose money"

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Please everyone, just stop trying to make trades with Nashville. Just stop. It's horrible.

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Lets look into our Crystal Ball for some perspective -
Dec 31, 2009: Rinne is having an excellent year with a SV% above .925 on a mediocre team.
Jan 1, 2010: A Finnish paper comes to town to do a feature on Rinne. He is asked if he would ever consider coming back to Finland. Rinne replies, "perhaps later in my career, but right now I enjoy playing in the NHL." The reporter asks, "so you'll be here in Nashville for a long time." Rinne replies, "Nashville or somewhere in the NHL...we'll see."
April 30, 2010: Rinne concludes another terrific season with the Preds, despite the team finishing out of the playoffs again. Poille is quoted as saying, "Re-signing Rinne is still a priority for us."
July 1, 2010: Rinne signs a $5.5MM per, 3 year deal with the St Louis Blues. The Preds ironically sign Chris Mason to a $1.5MM, one year deal and anxiously await the emmergence of Dekanich and Pickard. Nashville also lost UFA Hamhuis, who finally got the big pay day he's been seeking his enitre career. He signed with hometown team Vancouver for $4MM per.


From that perspective, this proposal's value starts to feel a whole lot different. I presume you won't be laughing if things play out this way -- am I right?


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Lets look into our Crystal Ball for some perspective -
Dec 31, 2009: Rinne is having an excellent year with a SV% above .925 on a mediocre team.
Jan 1, 2010: A Finnish paper comes to town to do a feature on Rinne. He is asked if he would ever consider coming back to Finland. Rinne replies, "perhaps later in my career, but right now I enjoy playing in the NHL." The reporter asks, "so you'll be here in Nashville for a long time." Rinne replies, "Nashville or somewhere in the NHL...we'll see."
April 30, 2010: Rinne concludes another terrific season with the Preds, despite the team finishing out of the playoffs again. Poille is quoted as saying, "Re-signing Rinne is still a priority for us."
July 1, 2010: Rinne signs a $5.5MM per, 3 year deal with the St Louis Blues. The Preds ironically sign Chris Mason to a $1.5MM, one year deal and anxiously await the emmergence of Dekanich and Pickard. Nashville also lost UFA Hamhuis, who finally got the big pay day he's been seeking his enitre career. He signed with hometown team Vancouver for $4MM per.


From that perspective, this proposal's value starts to feel a whole lot different. I presume you won't be laughing if things play out this way -- am I right?

Well if we would miss him so much why would we trade Rinne? Its also insane to believe Rinne signs a 5.5 million deal unless he wins the Vezina and leads Nashville deep in the playoffs. So the money that would go to Nabokov this year would probably go to Rinne for the next 2 years. The Hamhuis for Vlasic is pretty much a wash except Hamhuis is cheaper now and a UFA at the end of the season, but will probably sign for around the 3.1 that Vlasic is. From that perspective the value is a lot different, we are getting ripped off badly.

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Lets look into our Crystal Ball for some perspective -
Dec 31, 2009: Rinne is having an excellent year with a SV% above .925 on a mediocre team.
Jan 1, 2010: A Finnish paper comes to town to do a feature on Rinne. He is asked if he would ever consider coming back to Finland. Rinne replies, "perhaps later in my career, but right now I enjoy playing in the NHL." The reporter asks, "so you'll be here in Nashville for a long time." Rinne replies, "Nashville or somewhere in the NHL...we'll see."
April 30, 2010: Rinne concludes another terrific season with the Preds, despite the team finishing out of the playoffs again. Poille is quoted as saying, "Re-signing Rinne is still a priority for us."
Correct so far...

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July 1, 2010: Rinne signs a $5.5MM per, 3 year deal with the St Louis Blues. The Preds ironically sign Chris Mason to a $1.5MM, one year deal and anxiously await the emmergence of Dekanich and Pickard. Nashville also lost UFA Hamhuis, who finally got the big pay day he's been seeking his enitre career. He signed with hometown team Vancouver for $4MM per.
NO WAY.

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From that perspective, this proposal's value starts to feel a whole lot different. I presume you won't be laughing if things play out this way -- am I right?
You are wrong. The predator will no doubt re-sign Rinne and coninue to build from within.

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Well if we would miss him so much why would we trade Rinne? Its also insane to believe Rinne signs a 5.5 million deal unless he wins the Vezina and leads Nashville deep in the playoffs. So the money that would go to Nabokov this year would probably go to Rinne for the next 2 years.
Pending UFA Tim Thomas signed to a 4 year, $5MM per deal (during the 08-09 season, after only 1.5 good seasons under his belt, and before winning Vezina but losing out in the first round). Rinne, if he plays really well again this season, would also have two good years before becoming a pending UFA. You don't think Rinne's agent is using the same point of reference?


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The Hamhuis for Vlasic is pretty much a wash except Hamhuis is cheaper now and a UFA at the end of the season, but will probably sign for around the 3.1 that Vlasic is.
Hamhuis will cost NSH in the neighborhood of $4MM per. Vlasic's contract is not comparable as he was a RFA when he signed his deal. Comparable are:
-Rob Scuderi, signed to a $3.4MM per as a UFA this summer
-Mike Komisarek signed to a $4.5MM per as a UFA this summer


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From that perspective the value is a lot different, we are getting ripped off badly.
It's really not when you put the cup down and step back from the Pred's kool-aid barrel.

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You are wrong. The predator will no doubt re-sign Rinne and coninue to build from within.
I didn't say the Preds wouldn't re-sigin him. I layed out a realistic scenario whereby they may not. And that was in order to establish the correct value of the players involved in this proposal.

Please re-read the post(s) before claiming to be the Oracle of Dixie.

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I didn't say the Preds wouldn't re-sigin him. I layed out a realistic scenario whereby they may not. And that was in order to establish the correct value of the players involved in this proposal.

Please re-read the post(s) before claiming to be the Oracle of Dixie.
To get Nabakov, you would have to give up a LOT more than Hamhuis. You would probably have to trade over Suter or Weber instead of him. Also, I think you might have a bigger chance of getting stuck by lightning than this .

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To get Nabakov, you would have to give up a LOT more than Hamhuis. You would probably have to trade over Suter or Weber instead of him. Also, I think you might have a bigger chance of getting stuck by lightning than this .

No need to get carried away. Nabby is a pending UFA in case you forgot. Suter has 3 yrs before becoming a UFA and Weber has 2 yrs but will remain an RFA.

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No need to get carried away. Nabby is a pending UFA in case you forgot. Suter has 3 yrs before becoming a UFA and Weber has 2 yrs but will remain an RFA.
I feel that Nabakov is more of a prize than Hamhuis and Rinne together. That's why I'm saying you would have to give a real future player to get a known and proven player. Just like the trade with Lupul and Sbisa to get Pronger. Sbisa has been an awesome prospect as a d-man. Offensive, aggressive edge, and has everything to prove, which was the big plus for the Ducks in the trade.

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