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To each his own, I guess. I don't see Edler being better than Ehrhoff for another couple years and I just don't see Salo being better at all right now. He was very good the year before but he took a step back defensively last year to me.
Gotta disagree here. Edler is poised for a big breakout next season and if anything I would say Salo's offense took a hit last season as he was reluctant to use his big shot for much of the season. Defensively he's always been solid.
Mitchell's defensive play puts him in the top 4, and Salo is arguably the best of the bunch, when healthy, so that leaves Ehrhoff out of the top 4, until Salo's inevitable injury.
You imply you wouldn't trade Mitchell for Ehrhoff straight up then? Really?
Yes, "Salo's inevitable injury". Food for thought there. Not to mention Bieksa.
Neither would Vancouver, as nuckfan eloquently pointed out below.
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Originally Posted by nuckfan in TO
Burrows is not going to get traded. If this was fantasy hockey, I'm sure there are a lot of offers that could make sense for the Canucks to move Burrows... but considering what happened last year, no team that had Burrows would trade him right now.
He not only had a breakout season, he signed a longterm deal at very reasonable $$, publicly saying that players on a team have to do that to try and build a deep team... only to have Kesler - who's up for a new contract this year - to reiterate his words.
Trading Burrows would be a PR nightmare now, not only among the fans, who love his style of play and everything he brings, but more importantly to team as well - and my guess is that it would really hurt the Kesler negotiations which are coming up.
I don't think any team with a player in that situation would deal them so early into that extension.
Thanks for reiterating these points, I wonder how many times all these obvious points are gonna have to be pointed out regarding Burrows?
Even if you wouldn't trade him for Burrows I don't get why Sharks fans are so ready to get rid of Ehrhoff/Vlasic. I admit I don't watch many San Jose games that aren't against Vancouver but take those two guys out and the Sharks defense looks really weak to me. Is Boyle jesus or what?
Maybe the Canucks really are out of whack, we should send our balanced defense to hell and trade it all for a super star defenseman if it'll lead us to a President's trophy (both our teams are led by chokers in the playoffs! lol! etc.)
What's the deal with Erhoff in the playoffs? 38 games, 2 goals, none in the last 27. Is he part of the SJ choking problem?
Oh come on, seriously. Christian Ehrhoff is a defenseman and your sole purpose to this post is to discuss his goal-scoring prowess on the blue line in the playoffs?
Oh come on, seriously. Christian Ehrhoff is a defenseman and your sole purpose to this post is to discuss his goal-scoring prowess on the blue line in the playoffs?
Ducks fan here and I agree. He also had at least two shots off the goalpost against the Ducks these playoffs alone.
Top-pairing defensemen are supposed to produce points as well as defend.
If he's not top-pairing quality, then this trade makes zero sense for Vancouver as the Canucks already have enough second- and third-tier defensemen.
I don't even know what "top-pairing" means. I'd rate Ehrhoff as the #2 Sharks' d-man, but he plays with Doug Murray on what most Sharks' fans would describe as the 3rd pair.
Lukowich typically plays with Boyle. Does that make him a "top-pairing defenseman"? Of course not, and there are plenty of examples like that around the league. It's about putting the most effective lineup on the ice, which is not necessarily having your best two d-men paired.
I'll happily admit I don't know the Canucks as well as you guys, but Ehrhoff's game would complement Bieksa's nicely. Does that address your concern?
Top-pairing defensemen are supposed to produce points as well as defend.
If he's not top-pairing quality, then this trade makes zero sense for Vancouver as the Canucks already have enough second- and third-tier defensemen.
And Ehrhoff outscored every d-man on Vancouver except for Bieksa, who only had 1 more point. So, that means all you guys have are 2nd and 3rd tier guys? I don't think that's the case.
Top-pairing defensemen are supposed to produce points as well as defend.
If he's not top-pairing quality, then this trade makes zero sense for Vancouver as the Canucks already have enough second- and third-tier defensemen.
25th among defensemen in points. 25 of his 42 points acquired on the power play which is proven to be most effective for the Sharks with Ehrhoff on the ice. Something that would improve an average Canucks power play. He's always been a playoff performer.
He definitely has consistency issues in all zones but it's not nearly as bad as people make it out to be. It would be foolish to believe that he wouldn't have something to add to that lineup and foolish to believe he'd be anything less than #3 considering the talent on the back end of Vancouver's lineup, imo.
25th among defensemen in points. 25 of his 42 points acquired on the power play which is proven to be most effective for the Sharks with Ehrhoff on the ice. Something that would improve an average Canucks power play. He's always been a playoff performer.
He definitely has consistency issues in all zones but it's not nearly as bad as people make it out to be. It would be foolish to believe that he wouldn't have something to add to that lineup and foolish to believe he'd be anything less than #3 considering the talent on the back end of Vancouver's lineup, imo.
Yeah, okay. Watch some games besides the Canucks. The Canucks fans have been screaming for a puck-moving defenseman the entire off-season. In terms of being able to move the puck, Ehrhoff is better than all of those defensemen, imo.
# Player Team PTS 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th
1 Pavel Datsyuk DET 945 55 48 8 5 4
2 Mike Richards PHI 942 61 42 6 2 2
3 Ryan Kesler VAN 290 1 9 33 14 10
4 Henrik Zetterberg DET 154 3 3 8 17 12
5 Mikko Koivu MIN 154 1 3 13 17 7
6 David Krejci BOS 109 2 5 5 8 5
7 Travis Zajac NJ 89 0 3 10 5 3
8 Zach Parise NJ 80 2 2 9 0 1
9 Patrick Marleau SJ 64 0 1 5 7 11
10 Jamie Langenbrunner NJ 58 1 1 3 6 8
11 Alex Burrows VAN 35 1 0 4 1 2
Again, I don't think people are saying Ehrhoff is a bad player, but Burrows means alot to Vancouver, even without factoring in the 28 goals.
I agree that the trade won't happen because of how each team would value the return. I've only been arguing the comparisons between Ehrhoff and every defenseman on the Canucks. lol
This is not about Erhoff being a quality d-man or not - not dissing the guy - it's about Erhoff filling a pressing need on the Canucks roster. I don't see that he does, ergo, the trade proposal makes little sense to me.
Now if he performed in the playoffs instead of getting shut out for three straight seasons, perhaps my perception would be different. That he plays for the current NHL Choke Champion also doesn't help, as it's difficult to tell if he's part of the problem or an innocent bystander.
This is not about Erhoff being a quality d-man or not - not dissing the guy - it's about Erhoff filling a pressing need on the Canucks roster. I don't see that he does, ergo, the trade proposal makes little sense to me.
Now if he performed in the playoffs instead of getting shut out for three straight seasons, perhaps my perception would be different. That he plays for the current NHL Choke Champion also doesn't help, as it's difficult to tell if he's part of the problem or an innocent bystander.
Who would you think the Canucks would realistically be targeting as a puck-moving d-man?
If Ehrhoff's recent playoff performances were typical of the Sharks, I dare say their results would be a lot less disappointing.
