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08-16-2009, 08:00 PM
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to VAN:

Kaberle
Mayers
White

to TOR:

Demitra
Bernier/Raymond
O'Brien
2nd round 2010

I added Mayers onto the deal so Toronto could clear a little more cap space.

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08-16-2009, 08:01 PM
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to VAN:

Kaberle
Mayers
White

to TOR:

Demitra
Bernier/Raymond
O'Brien
2nd round 2010
I'm gonna go ahead and guess... you're a canucks fan?

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I wouldn't do that package alone for Kaberle.

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08-16-2009, 08:03 PM
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Yes, I am a Canucks fan. It isn't that bad of a trade, Toronto got a lot of d-men this summer (Komisarek, Beauchemin, Exelby) and could use forward help.

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Enough with the Kaberle trades please. We should all know by now that he isn't being traded due to his NTC kicking back in on Friday

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08-16-2009, 08:06 PM
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take out Kaberle,White, Mayers, Shane O'Brien,Bernier/Raymond, Demitra, 2nd Round pick 2010

and then its a deal

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Yeah, I know. The Canucks really need a puck moving d-man, though, and I really want Kaberle. Plus, if Toronto did this deal, they could move Van Ryn if necessary, as he's making close to $3M I believe.

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This is the deal that blows Burke's shoes off?

Kaberle won't be traded. His NTC has kicked in and Burke has a policy about not asking players to waive them. At this point, he is one of the least likely players in the NHL to be traded. Almost everything is stacked against it (including Burke's insanely high asking price).

P.S.- I like how you included White in this package. Nice job on the obligatory 2nd rounder.

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08-16-2009, 08:12 PM
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Out of curiousity, what has been offered for Kaberle? For comparison's sake.

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to VAN:

Kaberle
Mayers
White

to TOR:

Demitra
Bernier/Raymond
O'Brien
2nd round 2010

I added Mayers onto the deal so Toronto could clear a little more cap space.
no from toronto

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08-16-2009, 08:18 PM
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Out of curiousity, what has been offered for Kaberle? For comparison's sake.
Burke was going for Kessel and a 1st for Kaberle.

Some reports say that he rejected a deal for Kaberle and the Leafs 1st for Kessel and Boston's 1st. Some say that it was Kaberle and the Leafs 1st for Kessel.

That's all I know of.

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White is our next best puckmover, why do people make so many horrible proposals for him, if you want him, you have to pay for him, he is VERY underrated.

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08-16-2009, 08:46 PM
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to VAN:

Kaberle
Mayers
White

to TOR:

Demitra
Bernier/Raymond
O'Brien
2nd round 2010

I added Mayers onto the deal so Toronto could clear a little more cap space.
theres no way this deal is going to happen unless a prospect suck as grabner or at least schroeder is offered. the leafs have decent amount of cap space(i think around 6 million so thats no an issue)

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Kaberle
Mayers
White

to TOR:

Demitra
Bernier/Raymond
O'Brien
2nd round 2010

I added Mayers onto the deal so Toronto could clear a little more cap space.
hahahahahhahaha

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08-17-2009, 01:36 AM
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Hmm, what about this

to TOR

Demitra
Bernier/Raymond
Schroeder
pick

to VAN

Kaberle
White
insert salary dump player

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Hmm, what about this

to TOR

Demitra
Bernier/Raymond
Schroeder
pick

to VAN

Kaberle
White
insert salary dump player
Kaberle cant, and wont be traded.

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08-17-2009, 01:50 AM
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Counter offer
To van
White

TO Tor
Bernier

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08-17-2009, 01:59 AM
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Kaberle's not going anywhere. Unless you want to deal for just White, it's a pointless proposal. Toronto isn't interested in any more dmen coming back so maybe something like:

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D Ian White

To Toronto:

LW Mason Raymond
4th in 2010

I don't know about the pick but I bet some sort of deal could work out between these two based around Raymond and White.

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Kaberle's not going anywhere. Unless you want to deal for just White, it's a pointless proposal. Toronto isn't interested in any more dmen coming back so maybe something like:

To VAN:

D Ian White

To Toronto:

LW Mason Raymond
4th in 2010

I don't know about the pick but I bet some sort of deal could work out between these two based around Raymond and White.

uggghhhh....

Raymond does not have high trade value. He is a small skilled player on the bubble of being a full time NHLer. Every team has several of these, Toronto with probably more than most.

To the OP: Seriously what are you thinking?

Demitra is over the hill and over paid. Raymond (see above). O'brien sucks.
White is a valuable young defenceman. Everybody wants Kaberle.

You aren't going to solve all of VAncouver's defensive woes in exchange for nothing. Demitra is going to walk as an UFA next season. His contract is horrible, so the only way he gets traded is at the deadline.

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08-17-2009, 11:51 AM
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to VAN:

Kaberle
Mayers
White

to TOR:

Demitra
Bernier/Raymond
O'Brien
2nd round 2010

I added Mayers onto the deal so Toronto could clear a little more cap space.
lol and ppl say leafs fan overrate their prospects/players..
maybe toronto can add kulemin or grabovski to even out the trade

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lol and ppl say leafs fan overrate their prospects/players..
maybe toronto can add kulemin or grabovski to even out the trade
I guess all fans do it. Trying to sell crap for quality.

Nuck fans: If you want quality, can you offer something of equitable quality. The Leafs would hurt by giving up Kabs or White. What
would make you hurt? Kesler? Burrows?

There's your starting point.

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uggghhhh....

Raymond does not have high trade value. He is a small skilled player on the bubble of being a full time NHLer. Every team has several of these, Toronto with probably more than most.

To the OP: Seriously what are you thinking?

Demitra is over the hill and over paid. Raymond (see above). O'brien sucks.
White is a valuable young defenceman. Everybody wants Kaberle.

You aren't going to solve all of VAncouver's defensive woes in exchange for nothing. Demitra is going to walk as an UFA next season. His contract is horrible, so the only way he gets traded is at the deadline.
Demitra's contract is hardly horrible!

wasn't he the 2nd most productive UFA signing last year (after Hossa)? at $4mill/yr on a short-term deal that expires when other contracts needs to be extended, his contract isn't a problem. And 20 goals, and 53 pts in 69 games is hardly horrible either - and not out of line at $4mill, considering what other UFAs sign for.

Demitra had a better PPG pace than all other forwards on the Leafs last year other than Blake - and was just slightly behind him... he had a better GPG and PPG than Ponikarovsky did. For all those Leafs fans defending Van Ryn and his PPG pace, surely you can't ignore Demitra's??

How is that horrible for $4mill, when the contract expires after this year? And he didn't do that on the top line either - playing only about 5 games with the Sedins, and wasn't even with Sundin till mid-January.

And White, IMO, is really getting overrated... I don't think his value is any higher than Raymond's alone! He's a decent depth dman - but he's not a top pairing guy, and on the Canucks he'd be #5 on the depth chart, as he's not a better overall dman than any of Salo, Mitchell, Bieksa or Edler. He'd basically be a PP specialist in Vancouver, getting 3rd pairing icetime next to O'Brien!

And right now, such dmen aren't worth a whole lot... not with some UFA dmen out there that are just as good or better (such as Seidenberg).

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I guess all fans do it. Trying to sell crap for quality.

Nuck fans: If you want quality, can you offer something of equitable quality. The Leafs would hurt by giving up Kabs or White. What
would make you hurt? Kesler? Burrows?

There's your starting point.
And the Pens would hurt by giving up Crosby or Malkin. That doesn't mean the Leafs can get Malkin for Ian White or Kaberle.

That being said, the Nuks should change that 2nd to a first for OP's proposal.


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Its nice to finally see a proposal where the Leafs get stiffed. I was tired of seeing all the Jeff Finger/VanRyn for XXX proposals. Turnabout is fair game. lol

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And the Pens would hurt by giving up Crosby or Malkin. That doesn't mean the Leafs can get Malkin for Ian White or Kaberle.
Apples and Oranges. The Leafs don't have anything that elite.
The Nucks have Luongo

Thanks for torquing up the hyperbole.

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