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08-17-2009, 11:18 AM
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Any trade involving Campbell for Heatley, Ottawa loses.

Campbell has the worst contract in the league (except maybe Redden), whereas Heatley contract is appropriate considering his skill and productivity (ie. the same as Hossa/Gaborik/etc). He's a bit of a headcase, but in no way does that lower his value to anything close to Campbell's.

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08-17-2009, 11:33 AM
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Well proposed

Not a bad deal for all sides. Sharp is the reward for taking on the risk associated with Campbell's contract. That and we get to dump Smith of course. Still a question of whether Heatley would go or not though.

Also I think it's difficult for Chicago to have Heatley, Hossa, Toews, Kane, Keith, and Seabrooke. Not to mention contracts like Bolland, Versteeg, and Huet etc.

I suppose that all comes down to the price of Keith and Seabrooke when their contracts come up for renewal. Kane and Toews too of course but I'm not certain Chicago would have enough room to retain who they want without doing a pure salary dump in the Campbell/Sharp trade they eventually make.

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08-17-2009, 11:35 AM
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Any trade involving Campbell for Heatley, Ottawa loses.

Campbell has the worst contract in the league (except maybe Redden), whereas Heatley contract is appropriate considering his skill and productivity (ie. the same as Hossa/Gaborik/etc). He's a bit of a headcase, but in no way does that lower his value to anything close to Campbell's.
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Heatley is not damaged goods. Heatley has been dearly adored by the fans since the first time he put on that Sens jersey. He has never been a goat despite the team's failures in the past 2 years. He is well liked by his teammates and he will not be the cancer in the locker room the way people perceive him to be. Sure he asked for a trade, but people will forgive as long as we keep piling up the win column.

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08-17-2009, 11:37 AM
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Not a bad deal for all sides. Sharp is the reward for taking on the risk associated with Campbell's contract. That and we get to dump Smith of course. Still a question of whether Heatley would go or not though.

Also I think it's difficult for Chicago to have Heatley, Hossa, Toews, Kane, Keith, and Seabrooke. Not to mention contracts like Bolland, Versteeg, and Huet etc.

I suppose that all comes down to the price of Keith and Seabrooke when their contracts come up for renewal. Kane and Toews too of course but I'm not certain Chicago would have enough room to retain who they want without doing a pure salary dump in the Campbell/Sharp trade they eventually make.
They would need to find a way to deal Byfuglien at 3m and Sopel at 2+mil. At the end of this year. 5 mil would be freed up and the depth of chicago they have lots of guys that can replace their positions. Ladd would also have to be dealt if they decide to Keep versteeg over him I feel as well for 2nd line duty if they went with the roster you mentioned. Ladd will expect a decent raise and there are some teams that will take him for a 2nd rd pick as he has potential. But ya, Chicago will have to do something this upcoming season so it will be interesting.

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08-17-2009, 11:37 AM
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If I'm Ottawa I cry "Heatley is amazing" until Chi throws in a 5-7th round pick so I can say I won the trade

but yeah I'd do this from either teams point of view

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08-17-2009, 12:02 PM
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Any trade involving Campbell for Heatley, Ottawa loses.

Campbell has the worst contract in the league (except maybe Redden), whereas Heatley contract is appropriate considering his skill and productivity (ie. the same as Hossa/Gaborik/etc). He's a bit of a headcase, but in no way does that lower his value to anything close to Campbell's.
I don't get how Sens fans can say Campbell has the worst contract in the league. Its not even close. He was top-10 in point production for a defenseman with a respectable plus/minus. He's overpaid but its not like he didn't produce last year. His only downfall was a poor playoffs performance.

Brian Campbell isn't worth 7.15 million compared to the likes of Markov/Kaberle but he's not horrible by any means. He's a very productive d-man.

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08-17-2009, 12:16 PM
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Ottawa lacks in big name defense. As a Sens fan Im big on A-Train and Kuba but they arnt All-Star Cali.

Brian Campbell 7 Goals 45 Assits 52 Points
Filip Kuba 3 Goals 37 Assits 40 Points
Chris Campoli 11Goals 19 Assits 30 Points

Ottawa would finally have a #1 D and Power Play Specialist. He would also be back in the city he played junior where he put up huge numbers. 210 points in 240 games.

Campbell- Kuba
Philips - Volchenkov
Campoli- Karlsson - Picard - Lee

Great Depth on defense.

Forwards would be .
Sharp-Spezza-Alfie
Foligno- Fisher- Kovy
Eager-Bass- Neil
Ruutu-Kelly-Donovan

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08-17-2009, 12:53 PM
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To Ottawa:
Sharp (3.9)
Campbell (7.142)
Eager (965,000)

To Chicago:
Heatley (7.5)
Kelly (2.125)
Smith (2.6)

Ottawa would be approx. 300,000 over salary cap with 22 players signed.
Chicago would be below cap by 1.2 million with 23 players signed.

Ottawa gets a good forward, tough hometown guy, a puck moving defensman.
Chicago gets 50 goal scorer, but two salary dump players but move a huge contract themselves.

This is my first thread. Flame away.
The offer isnt bad at all, but with Eager just recently re-signing I don't think they'd throw him into the deal. Nix Kelly and Eager and I think this is a very good starting point. I'd prefer to trade Versteeg and Byfuglien over Sharp, but then I'm not sure Ottawa would take the deal.

What about:

To Ottawa
Byfuglien (3.083)
Versteeg (3.375)
Campbell (7.142)
13.6

To Chicago
Heatley (7.5)
Kelly (2.125)
Smith (2.6)
12.2

Throw in a 2nd rounder from Chicago and another salary dump of around $1mil from Ottawa and I think this deal could work. Im aware I said Chicago wouldn't throw in Eager after he just resigned, but ideally I'd rather trade Versteeg.

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08-17-2009, 12:55 PM
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If Chicago could get a deal lined up to send Kelly to a 3rd team then i'd do the deal otherwise it becomes a big pain. However, if this deal did happen Chicago's top-6 becomes ridiculous.

Heatley - Toews - Kane
Versteeg - Bolland - Hossa

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08-17-2009, 02:11 PM
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The offer isnt bad at all, but with Eager just recently re-signing I don't think they'd throw him into the deal. Nix Kelly and Eager and I think this is a very good starting point. I'd prefer to trade Versteeg and Byfuglien over Sharp, but then I'm not sure Ottawa would take the deal.

What about:

To Ottawa
Byfuglien (3.083)
Versteeg (3.375)
Campbell (7.142)
13.6

To Chicago
Heatley (7.5)
Kelly (2.125)
Smith (2.6)
12.2

Throw in a 2nd rounder from Chicago and another salary dump of around $1mil from Ottawa and I think this deal could work. Im aware I said Chicago wouldn't throw in Eager after he just resigned, but ideally I'd rather trade Versteeg.
Not bad, but Ottawa needs to shed salary as it is, and we are already giving you 2 of the prime trade candidates. I dont like Campbells contract, but I think he would help tremendously. I also like Buff, but he wouldn't fit on the Sens.

Damn, your top 6 would be stupid good though, Hossa and Heatley on the same team haha.

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08-17-2009, 02:15 PM
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what was chi signing hossa

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08-17-2009, 02:19 PM
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To Ottawa:
Sharp (3.9)
Campbell (7.142)
Eager (965,000)

To Chicago:
Heatley (7.5)
Kelly (2.125)
Smith (2.6)

Ottawa would be approx. 300,000 over salary cap with 22 players signed.
Chicago would be below cap by 1.2 million with 23 players signed.

Ottawa gets a good forward, tough hometown guy, a puck moving defensman.
Chicago gets 50 goal scorer, but two salary dump players but move a huge contract themselves.

This is my first thread. Flame away.
Trade doesn't help the Hawks at all and weakens us for upcoming year

Pass!

Counter offer
To Sens
D Brian Campbell
LW Kris Versteeg
Hawks 2nd in 2010

To Hawks
D Brian Lee
D Jason Smith
LW Dany Heatley

Hawks get a young dman and a top line LW (Smith would be waived to clear cap) while Sens get an offensive dman they have needed and a young top 6 LW

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08-17-2009, 05:15 PM
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I don't think the value is bad, but I don't think the Hawks do this trade. There has been a lot of turnover in personnel for the Hawks the last 10 year. The last year or two it is finally starting to stabilize, and the team has REALLY good chemistry. They won't trade 3 roster players (2 of which are leaders on the team) in a lateral move like this, especially with a guy with questionable intangibles coming back. Sharp and Eager are the kind of guys you keep if at all possible because they give 100% every single shift, on top of the youth and talent that they have (and toughness in Eager's case).

Hawks are shooting for the cup this year. They will wait until next summer to send guys out to make room for TKK. Waiting will also improve the value if/when all the guys have another deep playoff run on their resumes.

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08-17-2009, 05:24 PM
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Agree-ish

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I don't think the value is bad, but I don't think the Hawks do this trade. There has been a lot of turnover in personnel for the Hawks the last 10 year. The last year or two it is finally starting to stabilize, and the team has REALLY good chemistry. They won't trade 3 roster players (2 of which are leaders on the team) in a lateral move like this, especially with a guy with questionable intangibles coming back. Sharp and Eager are the kind of guys you keep if at all possible because they give 100% every single shift, on top of the youth and talent that they have (and toughness in Eager's case).

Hawks are shooting for the cup this year. They will wait until next summer to send guys out to make room for TKK. Waiting will also improve the value if/when all the guys have another deep playoff run on their resumes.
I kind of agree. Hawks will have to move sideways at some point to create cap room though. This trade isn't the one that does it though. It's so much more of a clusterF*** now as well with the RFA disaster.

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08-17-2009, 06:32 PM
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Trade doesn't help the Hawks at all and weakens us for upcoming year

Pass!

Counter offer
To Sens
D Brian Campbell
LW Kris Versteeg
Hawks 2nd in 2010

To Hawks
D Brian Lee
D Jason Smith
LW Dany Heatley

Hawks get a young dman and a top line LW (Smith would be waived to clear cap) while Sens get an offensive dman they have needed and a young top 6 LW
The point in Ottawas point is to get something that will somewhat replace some scoring. Only getting Versteeg wont work. Sharp is the guy who makes the deal. Chicago gets a high scorer and parts way with a large contract on defense where they dont need him.

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Trade doesn't help the Hawks at all and weakens us for upcoming year

Pass!
I mostly disagree. I think I'd do it although I'd really like to keep Eager somehow.

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08-17-2009, 07:27 PM
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MONTREAL and TORONTO fans like this deal for OTTAWA.

Why would Ottawa take on Cambpell and his albatross of a contract which still has 7 years to go?

Sharp doesn't make that fact go away.

Heatley will most likely be worth every penny for the next 5 years and maybe little more.

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08-17-2009, 10:38 PM
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Seem's like one of the best Heatley Proposal's i've seen.

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although this deal is pretty close in value, imo ottawa loses any deal that involves them taking on campbells salary. i think if chicago were to add jack skille or a player around that calibre, it might makes things a bit better.

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08-17-2009, 10:56 PM
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I'm 50/50...I like the proposal, but also agree with not liking Campbell's contract. However, you are getting a pretty darn good player in Sharp as well, and Eager and Neil would give other teams in the NE a headache.

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08-17-2009, 11:34 PM
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chi doesn't do this
they have to sign toews, kane, and keith no way they are going to take on this cap

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I know a few people in Campbells family and they all said that Murray was pushing hard for him in '08. Murray was offering 6 years and the Hawks 8, he almost chose Ottawa because it was closer to home and he wanted to be in the eastern conference. But in the end he chose Chicago for the 8 year term. Just wanted to throw that out there.

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I know a few people in Campbells family and they all said that Murray was pushing hard for him in '08. Murray was offering 6 years and the Hawks 8, he almost chose Ottawa because it was closer to home and he wanted to be in the eastern conference. But in the end he chose Chicago for the 8 year term. Just wanted to throw that out there.
yep, word was that we offered just as much money (cap hit), just on the shorter term. Basically Murray went about as far as any reasonable GM would, and then tallon went a bit further.

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i would have taken the extra 14,000,000$...just sayin'.

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As a result the Sens missed the playoffs last season. One of the reasons was the lack of an offensive d-man who could move the puck, QB the PP and provide offense.
Pretty much this. I actually like the trade myself. The Sens aren't spending a whole lot on defense right now and need to spread the money around. Cambpell would still be over paid but his cap hit might be managable with Karlsson, Cowen, Lee and Weirciotch coming along, who should be effective cheap players on entry level deals over the next 4-5 years.

Eager is one of those local boys I'd love to see wearing a Sens jersey too.

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