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08-19-2009, 03:02 AM
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assuming no major injuries, i'd guesstimate it at...

Prospal (20) Dubinsky (15) Gaborik (40)
Higgins (20) Drury (20) Kotalik (20)
Avery (15) Anisimov (10) Callahan (20)
Byers (5) Boyle (7) Brashear (3)

Forward totals: 195

Staal (4) Girardi (5)
Redden (5) Rozsival (10)
Gilroy (5) Potter (3)

Defense totals:32

Team total: 227

Team rank: ~20th in the NHL.
This.

Conservative, yet very realistic.

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08-19-2009, 03:06 AM
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it all depends on the lines i think drury being revitalized with gabby and higgins flanking him i wouldn't be suprised to see him eclipse the 30 goal mark again my probably way to optimistic prediction

A. Anisimov - 7
D. Brashear - 3
A. Voros - 15(For Hartford)
B. Boyle - 7
E. Lisin - 10
S. Avery - 15
C. Higgins - 25
C. Drury - 25(30 if he plays with gabby)
R. Callahan - 25
M. Gaborik- 35
B. Dubinsky-15
D. Girardi - 9
V. Prospal - 20
W. Redden- 8
A. Kotalik - 20
M. Rozsival- 10
M. Staal - 5
D. Byers- 4
M. Gilroy -5
B. Sanguinetti - 7

for a total for 255 heres to hope haha

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08-19-2009, 04:14 AM
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Higgins (20) Dubinsky (20) Gaborik (40)
Prospal (20) Drury (20) Callahan (25)
Avery (15) Anisimov (15) Kotalik (20)
Byers (5) Boyle (5) Brashear (5)


Staal (7) Girardi (5)
Rozsival (10) Gilroy (5)
Redden (5) Sangs (4)
Potter (4)


That's 250 goals. Last year that would've ranked us 12th.

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08-19-2009, 06:33 AM
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Redden: 4- Cant even score a goal per million dollars paid.
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08-19-2009, 08:25 AM
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maybe someone can do a long exercise since we have a few weeks. Post the total number of goals by each starting player and see what number comes up. Then take last year's goals and see what comes up. Then take the last three years' average and see what comes up.

This is an impossible task. People talk about 10 goals 30 assists for players. Now if you did it for each player, does the numbers foot? Meaning, do the assists to goal ratios make sense? Heck, what is the assist to goal ration? 1.75 assists to goals? Who knows. If you say Redden will have 20 assists, how many PP, how many ES, and why? I just like to say that I think this team will be in the middle of the pack in terms of offense, and in the middle of the pack in terms of defense, fighting for that 8ths spot barring injuries to teams I think are better, and barring injuries to the Rangers. If there are key injuries, which there weren't last season, this team will struggle mightily to score.

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08-19-2009, 10:11 AM
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it looks too me like people are expecting a higher number of goals from our 3rd line than is likely going to happen

its tough to assume the lines because they certainlly will change but here a couple things i'm pretty certain of:

- if Callahan plays the entire season on the 3rd line with limited, if any, powerplay time he will NOT score 20 goals

- the same can be said about avery

- we do not know what to expect from Anisimov, im very optomistic but i saw a post that has him penciled in for 15 goals....i haven't had that much kool-aid yet. Dubisnky netted only 14 his rookie season and spent a lot of that season with Jagr on the first line

- we shouldn't kid ourselves...again, i am very optomistic about this coming season and the future of this team but outside of Gaborik we have a very weak team offensively. Thats fine and dandy when he's in the line up because it opens up room for more secondary scoring, however, if he goes down we are, without a doubt, in a worse position than last year



I DO agree, however, with posters that have given a few more goals to our dmen (mostly Rozi) I think he'll score a little more (around 10-12) simply due to an improved PP.

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08-19-2009, 12:15 PM
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We have to remember, too, that they're going to be playing in Tortorella's aggressive system and not Renney's death trap.

I say Cally and Prospal get between 25-30+, Higgans, Kotalik, Drury and Linsin (if he's played consistantly) gets in between 20-25, Avery gets between 15-20, Anisimov, if he plays this years, we'll get between 10-15 and if Grachev plays, I say 20-25.

Who knows about Gaborik. If he gets hurt, he can range from 10 goals to 40. lol

I just think we're going to be a little better in scoring this season. Maybe one or two players hit 60+ points.

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08-19-2009, 05:32 PM
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Higgins(25) Dubinsky(20) Gaborik(40)
Prospal(15) Drury(20) Kotalik(20)
Lisin(20) Anisimov(15) Callahan(15)
Avery(8) Boyle(8) Brashear(3)

Staal(4) Girardi(8)
Redden(3) Rozsival(10)
X(?) Gilroy(8)

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08-19-2009, 05:35 PM
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Here's something to remember too, guys. When you look at the standings from last year you see 210 Goals For. That number is actually 200, because there were 10 shootout wins that get put in the GF column for some strange reason.

230 goals from that group in these kinds of projections is 30 more than they scored last year, not 20.

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10-06-2009, 02:12 PM
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Ranger Goal Predictions for this season

What do you think? Here are my projections:

36-40: Gaborik
31-35:
26-30: Callahan
21-25: Drury, Kotalik
16-20: Avery, Dubinsky, Higgins, Prospal
11-15: Lisin
Under 10: Everyone else

And just for fun:

26-30: Antropov
16-20: Gomez
11-15: Dawes
Under 10: Sjostrom, Betts

Edit: I forgot about the unforgettable Mr. Prospal...


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10-06-2009, 02:23 PM
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So no Dmen with more than 9 goals, interesting. Prospal under 10? Yeah, good job....


38-45: Gaborik
31-37:
26-30: Callahan, Drury
21-25: Kotalik, Dubinsky, Higgins
16-20: Avery, Prospal
11-15: Gilroy
Under 10: Everyone else

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10-06-2009, 02:43 PM
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I like your Gaborik prediction, unfortunately I can not see Drury netting more then 20-22

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38-45: Gaborik
31-37:
26-30: Drury
21-25: Kotalik, Dubinsky, Higgins, Callahan, Prospal
16-20: Avery
11-15: Gilroy, Anisimov
Under 10: Everyone Else

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I like your Gaborik prediction, unfortunately I can not see Drury netting more then 20-22
I'm switching it up, being very optimistic this year

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10-06-2009, 02:50 PM
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What do you think? Here are my projections:

36-40: Gaborik
31-35:
26-30: Callahan
21-25: Drury, Kotalik
16-20: Avery, Dubinsky, Higgins
11-15: Lisin
Under 10: Everyone else

And just for fun:

26-30: Antropov
16-20: Gomez
11-15: Dawes
Under 10: Sjostrom, Betts
I dont think Callahan will get over 25. 21-25 for him. I also think Dubinsky will have over 20.

This is the season Dubinsky takes his higher ceiling and really distinguishes himself from Callahan, outscoring him by about 20 points.

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10-06-2009, 02:58 PM
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Thought it would be fun to merge this thread to the previous one from about 6 weeks ago.

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10-06-2009, 03:07 PM
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51-55: Gaborik(52)
46-50:
41-45:
36-40:
31-35:
26-30: Higgins(27)
21-25: Lisin(21), Prospal(21), Dubinsky(22), Drury(23), Kotalik(23)
16-20: Callahan(18), Gilroy(19)
11-15: Anisimov(12)
6-10: Rozsival(7), Avery(9), Del Zotto(10)
1-5: Voros(1), Boyle(3), Brashear(3), Redden(4), Staal(4), Girardi(5)

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10-06-2009, 03:09 PM
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What do you think? Here are my projections:

36-40: Gaborik
31-35:
26-30: Callahan
21-25: Drury, Kotalik
16-20: Avery, Dubinsky, Higgins
11-15: Lisin
Under 10: Everyone else
That was a smart way to show it.

But I'd go with:

36-40: Gaborik
31-35:
26-30: Dubinsky
21-25: Drury
16-20: Callahan, Avery, Higgins, Prospal, Kotalik
11-15:
Under 10: Everyone else

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10-06-2009, 03:11 PM
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Wow thats a high number for Gilroy and MDZ

Ive got

Gaborik 42(healthy)
Drury 31
Dubinsky 25
Prospal 24
Higgins 20
Kotalik 18
Callahan 17
Avery 14
Anisimov 13
Lisin 11
Brashear 6
Boyle 5

dmen

Rozsival 8
Gilroy 8
Del Zotto 7
Redden 5
Girardi 4
Staal 4

That 251 goals, 51 more than last year.

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10-06-2009, 03:15 PM
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51-55: Gaborik(52)
46-50:
41-45:
36-40:
31-35:
26-30: Higgins(27)
21-25: Lisin(21), Prospal(21), Dubinsky(22), Drury(23), Kotalik(23)
16-20: Callahan(18), Gilroy(19)
11-15: Anisimov(12)
6-10: Rozsival(7), Avery(9), Del Zotto(10)
1-5: Voros(1), Boyle(3), Brashear(3), Redden(4), Staal(4), Girardi(5)
Haha, you are a stubborn dude...


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10-06-2009, 03:20 PM
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Wow thats a high number for Gilroy and MDZ

Ive got

Gaborik 42(healthy)
Drury 31
Dubinsky 25
Prospal 24
Higgins 20
Kotalik 18
Callahan 17
Avery 14
Anisimov 13
Lisin 11
Brashear 6
Boyle 5

dmen

Rozsival 8
Gilroy 8
Del Zotto 7
Redden 5
Girardi 4
Staal 4
Del Zotto already has two goals and we are only 3 games into the season.

If he finished with 7, that means he only scores 5 goals over a 78 game stretch... if he went into a slump like that starting now, he would be sent back to Juniors by game 9.

Del Zotto will get double digits at this rate.

Gilroy is extremely dynamic with the puck in the offensive zone. With the amount of quality chances he is going to generate, he will finish pretty high in the goals department.

I don't see any other defenseman cracking double digits. Because they won't be getting enough PP time.

They won't get the PP time, because as long as Del Zotto is in the NHL he will be on the PP. And so will Gilroy. And Kotalik will be at the point on the PP as well. That leaves one other defenseman to get any PP time on a nightly basis. Not enough time for the other 4 to rack up PP goals.

And it's doubtful any of the other 4 Dmen score majority of their goals 5v5.

It's going to be Gilroy and Del Zotto leading the way offensively for the D. And Staal leading the way defensively.

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Del Zotto already has two goals and we are only 3 games into the season.

If he finished with 7, that means he only scores 5 goals over a 78 game stretch... if he went into a slump like that starting now, he would be sent back to Juniors by game 9.

Del Zotto will get double digits at this rate.

Gilroy is extremely dynamic with the puck in the offensive zone. With the amount of quality chances he is going to generate, he will finish pretty high in the goals department.

I don't see any other defenseman cracking double digits. Because they won't be getting enough PP time.

They won't get the PP time, because as long as Del Zotto is in the NHL he will be on the PP. And so will Gilroy. And Kotalik will be at the point on the PP as well. That leaves one other defenseman to get any PP time on a nightly basis. Not enough time for the other 4 to rack up PP goals.

And it's doubtful any of the other 4 Dmen score majority of their goals 5v5.

It's going to be Gilroy and Del Zotto leading the way offensively for the D. And Staal leading the way defensively.

On MDZ, I think he will rack up plenty of assists on the power play. 7 goals 40+ points. That damn good for a rookie defenseman, I dont think he'll get sent down.

Also, with our mix and match scheme its not decided that Redden-Rozy wont ever be given a shot on the PP either, or might Gilroy-MDZ.

edit; on Gilroy, ive never seen a player coming out of NCAA score more than twice the goals his rookie NHL season than his senior year in college.

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Haha, you are a stubborn dude.
Not stubborn.

Avery won't jump right in after this knee injury. Who knows if he will REALLY be 100% by Thursday.

If he is, Tortorella will not push him yet.

Not with a knee injury, it's not something you mess with.

And considering he hasn't played a game at all this year (including Pre season) it's doubtful Avery jumps in there and becomes an instant scoring threat.

Just predicting he will start on the 4th line in Voros' place, and ease his way up again.

If he isn't 100% game shape by the end of October, you think he will score double digits in 4.5 months? Especially considering he may not get as much PP time if the current group continues to perform on the PP?

Drury, a consistent 20+ goal scorer and the captain hasn't been able to crack the PP.

Just saying.

And Tortorella really likes Lisin on the PP. He will get half his goals there.

Just don't see a ton of goals coming from Avery this year. But that doesn't mean he will be less effective at what he does.

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On MDZ, I think he will rack up plenty of assists on the power play. 7 goals 40+ points. That damn good for a rookie defenseman, I dont think he'll get sent down.

Also, with our mix and match scheme its not decided that Redden-Rozy wont ever be given a shot on the PP either, or might Gilroy-MDZ.

edit; on Gilroy, ive never seen a player coming out of NCAA score more than twice the goals his rookie NHL season than his senior year in college.
Re:Gilroy: Just basing it on what i see from him.

The way he swarms the net and shoots, in this attack system, he will score a lot for a defenseman.

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Not stubborn.

Avery won't jump right in after this knee injury. Who knows if he will REALLY be 100% by Thursday.

If he is, Tortorella will not push him yet.

Not with a knee injury, it's not something you mess with.

And considering he hasn't played a game at all this year (including Pre season) it's doubtful Avery jumps in there and becomes an instant scoring threat.

Just predicting he will start on the 4th line in Voros' place, and ease his way up again.

If he isn't 100% game shape by the end of October, you think he will score double digits in 4.5 months? Especially considering he may not get as much PP time if the current group continues to perform on the PP?

Drury, a consistent 20+ goal scorer and the captain hasn't been able to crack the PP.

Just saying.

And Tortorella really likes Lisin on the PP. He will get half his goals there.

Just don't see a ton of goals coming from Avery this year. But that doesn't mean he will be less effective at what he does.
I agree that Avery will not be 100% on Thursday, and that Torts won't push him to the max straight away... but I don't think he is as far behind as you think, and I don't think there's much chance he wouldn't be in game shape by the end of October. (By the way, it isn't true that he didn't play in preseason... he played in three preseason games, scoring 1 goal)

Anyway, he doesn't need as many games as you think to reach double digits. In 2007-08 he scored 15 in only 57 games. Last season he scored 5 in only 18 games with us -- and at that point he REALLY wasn't in game shape.

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