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08-18-2009, 08:54 PM
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Lol.

The Hawks lose one of their top 3 defensemen and get what in return exactly? Nothing that will make them better and nothing they don't already have.
Right...care to tell me which one of Keith, Seabrook, Campbell is below him? LOL @ Flames fan.

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08-18-2009, 08:57 PM
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Right...care to tell me which one of Keith, Seabrook, Campbell is below him? LOL @ Flames fan.
Campbell.

Who was on the third pairing this passed year? I'll give you a hint. The answer isn't Barker, Seabrook, or Keith.

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08-18-2009, 09:08 PM
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Campbell.

Who was on the third pairing this passed year? I'll give you a hint. The answer isn't Barker, Seabrook, or Keith.
All salaries aside, are you saying Barker > Campbell?

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All salaries aside, are you saying Barker > Campbell?
You aren't?

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You aren't?
Of course I'm not.

Again, all salaries aside, are you saying Barker is a better player than Campbell?

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Campbell.

Who was on the third pairing this passed year? I'll give you a hint. The answer isn't Barker, Seabrook, or Keith.
Barker was on the 3 paring last year

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Of course I'm not.

Again, all salaries aside, are you saying Barker is a better player than Campbell?
Was my last answer not obvious enough? Yes. I'd take Barker over Campbell.

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Was my last answer not obvious enough? Yes. I'd take Barker over Campbell.
Care to tell me why Barker is a better player than Campbell?

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Care to tell me why Barker is a better player than Campbell?
He has a better shot, he's better on the PP, he knows how to use his size, and he's no pushover defensively. If Campbell was making what Barker was making, I'd still take Barker, and vice versa.

I just think Barker is the better player in nearly all aspects of the game.

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He has a better shot, he's better on the PP, he knows how to use his size, and he's no pushover defensively. If Campbell was making what Barker was making, I'd still take Barker, and vice versa.

I just think Barker is the better player in nearly all aspects of the game.
Well Barker definitely doesn't skate as well as Campbell, so the puck moving side of things for Barker is clearly below what Campbell brings to the table. In the new NHL, transition game and puck moving ability is so important. Barker can't create offense as well as Campbell does. That's why I think in my opinion Campbell is definitely more valuable than Barker.

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I don't think Barker is better than Campbell yet but I think he could be. They're really pretty complementary players; I'm hoping they get decent ice time together at even strength this year.

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Well Barker definitely doesn't skate as well as Campbell, so the puck moving side of things for Barker is clearly below what Campbell brings to the table. In the new NHL, transition game and puck moving ability is so important. Barker can't create offense as well as Campbell does. That's why I think in my opinion Campbell is definitely more valuable than Barker.
True enough, Barker has a wicked first pass, though, and can create offense pretty well that way.

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08-18-2009, 09:50 PM
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1st of all, Canucks have a total cap hit of 53.433M (according to nhlnumbers.com). Adding Barker and his 3.0833M will bring us to 56.02M, basically 800K under the cap, losing all flexibility for future trades or whatsoever. Again we need someone who can actually defend well not some pp specialist at 3M+.



No that is not how the line up is like or will be like.

Mitchell, Salo
O'Brien, Bieksa
Edler, XXX
Well geez,,how do you expect to get another d-man,,,wish for one?
Obvious,we would have to make another move,to free up cap space,,but we would not be the only team having to do this.

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08-18-2009, 09:58 PM
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Well geez,,how do you expect to get another d-man,,,wish for one?
Obvious,we would have to make another move,to free up cap space,,but we would not be the only team having to do this.
Well I expect us to make a so called "hockey move" to bring in that D. Unlike your trade which is a "wishful thinking" move or frankly a "homer" move.

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I personally don't understand how people who watched the Vancouver-Chicago series still make proposals wanting Barker. I thought he was easily their worst defender all series and you could see the Canucks dump it in his corner every chance they got. I would rather go with someone in our own system, shallow that it is, than give up anything to get Barker. Why are people targeting the guy that the Canucks took advantage of all series?

Maybe he'll prove me wrong this year but we'll see.
*cough* Matt Walker *cough*

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08-18-2009, 11:56 PM
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*cough* Matt Walker *cough*
Tell me about it. He didn't do Barker any favors, either.

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Care to tell me why Barker is a better player than Campbell?
I would easily take Barker over Campbell and this is excluding his atrocious cap hit. Didnt you watch any playoff games between Chicago and Vancouver? What did the Van analysts say? Hit Campbell and he will turn the puck over. Campbell is freaking soft and Barker can put up just as many points as Campbell can.

This is pretty much a no-brainer. Chicago will not deal him away unless they really have to. A first rounder + prospect may work because the cap going back is tiny. That said I think Chicago can still get more. It would be nice if Vancouver could get someone like Barker. He is young and a puck-moving dmen so it is exactly what we need.

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Tell me about it. He didn't do Barker any favors, either.
OK, I'll give you that one but I was still underwhelmed by Barker in general.

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OK, I'll give you that one but I was still underwhelmed by Barker in general.
Barker had an excellent first round against Calgary (6 points in 6 games) but didn't do as well the next 2 rounds. He still has consistency issues for sure. I think if you had seen him more during the year you would probably change your opinion. He has excellent offensive tools but is still getting the hang of defending at the NHL level consistently.

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Barker certainly isn't amazing in the defensive end and pairing him with Walker was a bad decision. Walker is too slow and poor defensively and Barker simply isn't good enough to cover for Walker while also trying to cover his own side. Having said that though Barker is certainly not below average defensively, he can be a beast physically (although he is still inconsistant in this area), will drop the mitts to protect team mates and he obviously has great offensive ability. The only thing that slightly worries me about Barker is his foot speed but he seemed to have improved in that area last year so hopefully he is working on that in the offseason as if he can get a bit quicker then he could mature into a top-2 defenseman.

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08-19-2009, 07:00 AM
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I would easily take Barker over Campbell and this is excluding his atrocious cap hit. Didnt you watch any playoff games between Chicago and Vancouver? What did the Van analysts say? Hit Campbell and he will turn the puck over. Campbell is freaking soft and Barker can put up just as many points as Campbell can.

This is pretty much a no-brainer. Chicago will not deal him away unless they really have to. A first rounder + prospect may work because the cap going back is tiny. That said I think Chicago can still get more. It would be nice if Vancouver could get someone like Barker. He is young and a puck-moving dmen so it is exactly what we need.
I'm sry but Barker will never skate and move the puck like Campbell. Again, in today's NHL puck moving ability is so important. If you think Barker > Campbell you might as well say Barker > Kaberle.

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I'm sry but Barker will never skate and move the puck like Campbell. Again, in today's NHL puck moving ability is so important. If you think Barker > Campbell you might as well say Barker > Kaberle.
There are other ways to move the puck besides skating, you know.

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There are other ways to move the puck besides skating, you know.
Won't be as effective. Thats why the salary difference between Campbell and Barker.

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There are other ways to move the puck besides skating, you know.
And Campbell is an excellent tape to tape passer. Probably 2nd on the team only to Patrick Kane. In fact I think his passes lead directly to more than 1 Barker powerplay goal.

Hawks should have had a much more devestating powerplay than they had last year. Most of the time they had Campbell and or Barker set up on the wrong side (their proper side) while on the powerplay. When getting a pass the player has to turn and reset before shooting.

Campbell >> than Barker right now but the thought is right. People are looking at overall stats without seeing the overall picture.
Barker started the year in the minors (for cap reasons) did not get PP time when he 1st got to the team. Barker also got beat a lot more early on than he did as the season progressed. This was also his 1st playoff experience. Yes he was not strong defensively but I feel it more a lesson learned than a sign of how his career will be. Not much can match the intensity of NHL playoff hockey.

As for both Campbell and Barker, Sopel was trying to play hurt and Walker was far and away a very weak link on the back line (good luck with that Lightning).
Barker and Campbell each spent about 50% of the time paired with Walker and Campbell spent a lot of the early season matched with Sopel. Guys who play the way they do need a partner to cover mistakes. Orr lost pucks and had Dallas Smith behind him, Coffey had Huddy, ... Campbell and Barker mistakes ended up in the net because they did not have quality coverage behind them. This year (if all stays the same) a healthy Sopel can pair with one of them and Niklas Hjalmarsson will pair with the other.
3 very solid units on the backline when you consider the other pairing is going to be Duncan Keith and Brent Seabrook.

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I've watched a decent number of Chicago games this year and have NO idea why people would take Barker over Campbell with salaries aside.

Campbells transition game and break out pass is amazing; as others have said Barker has a great first pass too but his skating is nowhere near on par with Campbell's. I think Campbell would be one of those players that a lot of Chicago fans would miss if he were to go.

Let's assume Barker is playing on the first pairing for a second, I guarantee a lot of his "puck moving" flaws will become much more apparent. Campbell on the other hand plays against top lines and still generates offense (I realize he's not always on the top pairing, but he logs a **** load of minutes vs. top offensive players).

Campbell is a much better player all around. The ONLY reason aside from salary anyone should take Barker is due to his younger age and therefor potential.

But, back to the trade!

How about something like

To CHI:
Bernier
Grabner
O'Brien
1st

To VAN:
Byfuglien
Barker


Chicago loses 6mil in salary while taking 3.6mil back; however it's important to note that O'Brien is on a 1 year deal where he will become a RFA, and Grabner is still on an ELC. This deal leaves some room to re-sign players next offseason, and, even pick up rentals come deadline with that extra first rounder.

Bernier takes Byfugliens spot, and Grabner who is basically NHL ready will thrive in the Hawks offensive system (hes a pure goal scorer).

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