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08-19-2009, 11:22 AM
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Kings - Wild deadline

If the wild are having a horrible season and are looking at a complete rebuild, then what about this.

Kings:
Backstrom (6 mil)
If Frolov resigns, then 2nd 10, 3rd 10, 1st 11

Wild:
Frolov (2.9) UFA at the end of this season
Schenn

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08-19-2009, 11:24 AM
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Just doesn't make any sense. Why do the Kings want Backstrom? They have Quick and Bernier.

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08-19-2009, 11:26 AM
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Just doesn't make any sense. Why do the Kings want Backstrom? They have Quick and Bernier.
and they want to be a playoff team. am i missing something?

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08-19-2009, 11:28 AM
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According to Kings and its fans Quick is the real deal, and Ersberg and Bernier have potentials too, so there's no point in getting Backstrom at all.

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Plus, Backstrom is worth more than Frolov. a lot more. But Schenn is in there so I think I'd have to consider it if I were Minnesota. Plus, they have Harding, so they'd be okay

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Right now I would put more money on the wild making the playoffs than the kings. And if we were going to trade backstrom and3 picks I'm pretty sure that we would get a better package than frolov and schenn. EPIC FAIL!


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If the wild are having a horrible season and are looking at a complete rebuild, then what about this.

Kings:
Backstrom (6 mil)
If Frolov resigns, then 2nd 10, 3rd 10, 1st 11

Wild:
Frolov (2.9) UFA at the end of this season
Schenn
We have 4 great young goaltenders in the system. One will have to pan out. At this point, I am not giving up Fro and Schenn for something that isnt an issue. We live or die with the young goalies.

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08-19-2009, 11:57 AM
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According to Kings and its fans Quick is the real deal...
He is ?

That remains to be seen.

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Right now I would put more money on the wild making the playoffs than the kings. And if we were going to trade backstrom and3 picks I'm pretty sure that we would get a better package than a ufa frolov and schenn. EPIC FAIL!
read again.

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08-19-2009, 12:06 PM
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If the wild are having a horrible season and are looking at a complete rebuild, then what about this.

Kings:
Backstrom (6 mil)
If Frolov resigns, then 2nd 10, 3rd 10, 1st 11

Wild:
Frolov (2.9) UFA at the end of this season
Schenn
If the Wild are having a horrible season and are looking at a complete rebuild they aren't trading for a rental Frolov.

Assuming they re-sign Frolov the value is way off. The 2nd in 10 will be extremely high, near a 1st and the 1st in '11 will be as untouchable as Kings first round picks have been recently. Add to that he's going to have all the leverage and will most likely head to free agency with a built in "I want to play for a winner" excuse so he's not going to have a friendly cap hit IF he does extend.

If we really were going to send Backstrom to LA it would have to be built around picks and prospects coming not going.

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This proposal is bad for both sides.

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08-19-2009, 12:25 PM
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This trade makes no sense for either team. Congrats.

Kings don't need an expensive goaltender, when they have enough good, young, cheaper ones already in the system. They need more offense, not less.

Wild will need Backstrom moving forward, and trading him for a UFA is a waste of a great asset. But I admit, the Kings are getting screwed more than the Wild.

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08-19-2009, 12:33 PM
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read again.
There I fixed it

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and they want to be a playoff team. am i missing something?
You are missing that the Kings don't need Backstrom.
Quick was the King's starter for half of the season. These are his starts


21-18 2.48 .914

3 games above .500 playing for one of the worst offensive teams in the NHL

The Kings missing the playoffs had nothing to do with Quick or Ersberg, it had everything to do with LOLabarbera

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I can understand us trading Frolov at the deadline if we cant reach a deal but Schenn? that makes no sense considering we're trying to build up our offense right now and we have plenty of goaltenders in the system.

No Trade.

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Backstrom's new deal includes a NTC. Deal = pretty much dead. It's not what either team wants anyway.

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Just doesn't make any sense. Why do the Kings want Backstrom? They have Quick and Bernier.
If anything I think one of Quick or Bernier would also have to be shipped to the Wild. I also don't think Frolov would be moved to a non playoff team with 1 year remaining on his deal. Schenn seems to make some what of sense and I am sure the Kings would have to add another roster player to a deal and probably another highly ranked prospect as the Kings have a ton of.

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You are missing that the Kings don't need Backstrom.
Quick was the King's starter for half of the season. These are his starts


21-18 2.48 .914

3 games above .500 playing for one of the worst offensive teams in the NHL

The Kings missing the playoffs had nothing to do with Quick or Ersberg, it had everything to do with LOLabarbera
No offense, but there were a ton of LA posters in here last year saying the same thing about Labarbera. I think it's pretty hard to judge a goalies ability based on a half season.

And for the people who don't see why MINN makes this deal? How about a guy who just went 5th overall and would be a great fit in the organization in Brayden Schenn, plus having the cap space to make a legit offer to a 1st line winger in Frolov? Heck, they could then move Frolov again and get a 1st round DP+ for him if they wanted (or Frolov tells them he won't resign).

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You are missing that the Kings don't need Backstrom.
Quick was the King's starter for half of the season. These are his starts


21-18 2.48 .914

3 games above .500 playing for one of the worst offensive teams in the NHL

The Kings missing the playoffs had nothing to do with Quick or Ersberg, it had everything to do with LOLabarbera
I am far from a LaBarbera fan...but the Kings missing the playoffs last season was more about being 27th in the league in goals for per game with 2.46. Do not forget the Kings set a franchise record for being shutout last year.

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No offense, but there were a ton of LA posters in here last year saying the same thing about Labarbera. I think it's pretty hard to judge a goalies ability based on a half season.

And for the people who don't see why MINN makes this deal? How about a guy who just went 5th overall and would be a great fit in the organization in Brayden Schenn, plus having the cap space to make a legit offer to a 1st line winger in Frolov? Heck, they could then move Frolov again and get a 1st round DP+ for him if they wanted (or Frolov tells them he won't resign).
I dont think anyone really supported LaBarbera last year. Maybe a few years ago, but last year was the breaking point.

L.A. wouldn't do this deal. If anything they'd call the Islanders and ask about Biron or Roloson.

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I am far from a LaBarbera fan...but the Kings missing the playoffs last season was more about being 27th in the league in goals for per game with 2.46. Do not forget the Kings set a franchise record for being shutout last year.
It was a combination of both. LOLbarbara gave them NO chance to win games on a consistent basis. As a result, guys like Kopitar were asked to heavily emphasize defense, which affected his offensive output.

When you have a goalie you are confident in, it allows you to play loose and your game, instead of trying to help cover up for another player.

With Smyth here now, Wiliams hopefully recovered, and some of our young guns like Moller/Purcell a year older, I anticipate a pretty big jump in goals scored. With Quick and one of Ersberg/Bernier in net, I expect a pretty big drop in goals allowed.

The result should be the Kings making the playoffs this year. I really think they have a GOOD shot at the #6 to #8 seed.

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if the Kings are even in the playoff hunt by the trade deadline, i think it'll be fairly safe to assume that Alex Frolov will have played a very large part of that success, maybe even leading the team in goal scoring (as per usual), so i highly doubt they'd be looking to move him at that point.

offensive depth becomes much more of a luxury in the post-season and it wouldn't behoove the Kings to shoot themselves in the foot like that... especially when you consider their rather lengthy playoff drought or their success therein.

if Frolov gets moved at all, i believe it'll happen at one of three points -

1. just after camp.
2. no later than the last week of November.
3. his rights being traded at the conclusion of the season.

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Both teams say no to this deal.. a lose .. lose cituation

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No offense, but there were a ton of LA posters in here last year saying the same thing about Labarbera. I think it's pretty hard to judge a goalies ability based on a half season.
I think you are mistaken

Ersberg yes. I would be shocked if there was more than 1 poster that had any faith in Labarbera

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I think you are mistaken

Ersberg yes. I would be shocked if there was more than 1 poster that had any faith in Labarbera
I remember many trade proposals before the season last year where offers of goalies to LA were made and many said that they had plenty of faith in LaBarbera. Now granted, that didn't mean that LA SHOULD have made a deal for Khabibulin (one of the names making the rounds) but there was certainly a lot of misplaced faith in Jason L.

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