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08-21-2009, 10:54 AM
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Antropov wasn't a center for last year. And there is no way Grabovski was above him... Stajan did tail off when he was no longer playing with Poni and Antro, but Grabo also played much better when Poni was on his wing.
Poni was a much better fit than Hagman to make the line a line and not a scramble of individual players.

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Ulf gets upset when the Leaf's don't draft "his" guy. Same MO as Mess with a bit more subtlety.
Cowan & Schenn were my guys but even I haven't taken it to that point.

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Ulf gets upset when the Leaf's don't draft "his" guy. Same MO as Mess with a bit more subtlety.
Assuming both are sincere, it's futile to whine about something you have no control over. Isn't it something you grow out of after your teenage years have passed? "Give me strength to change the things I can change, and the strength to accept the things I can't change ..." or however that goes. Taking it to the point of hoping for your unannointed one to fail, bust or even get hurt, is just childish.

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Hmmm. never heard of him(which makes your point clearer)lol. However, in fairness Kadri hasn't said he will make the team,but that its his goal though. To me, if Kadri plays at the WJHC's last year he's not there at #7 for us possibly.

Time will tell how good he is in comparison to the forwards picked ahead of him but i have more than a hunch that we have a player equal to the forwards picked ahead of him minus Tavares only.

That said, he is more talented than some current roster players and burke keeps saying he'll keep the best players etc. He has a outside chance atleast.(i think)
McKeen's had Kadri ranked as 9th. overall in their final rankings.

He wasn't a stretch where the Leafs picked.

Let's hope his talent is better than quite a few Leafs' players, but that doesn't mean he is ready to compete in a physical position with mature men.

Burke talks a lot, and much of what he says I don't believe.

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Assuming both are sincere, it's futile to whine about something you have no control over. Isn't it something you grow out of after your teenage years have passed? "Give me strength to change the things I can change, and the strength to accept the things I can't change ..." or however that goes. Taking it to the point of hoping for your unannointed one to fail, bust or even get hurt, is just childish.
I'm sure quite a few on here have had to recite that phrase quite a bit throughout their lives

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Antropov wasn't a center for last year. And there is no way Grabovski was above him... Stajan did tail off when he was no longer playing with Poni and Antro, but Grabo also played much better when Poni was on his wing.
Exactly.

Stajan tailed off.. but your forgetting that Ron Wilson put him on the checking line, which helped his game defensively. for the last 2/3 of the season, Stajan was playing with Stempniak, Deveaux, Devereaux or Hamilton.... At times he also played with Hagman and Blake, but not for the majority of that period.

Meanwhile, for the last 2/3 of the season, grabovski was playing with Kulemin and Ponikarovsky/Hagman.... so therefor Grabovski had a lot more oppertunities offensively.

Stajan was our best Centerman. He proved that in points, faceoffs, and +/-. He played on the PK, PP, ES. He got 40 of his 55 points on ES.... He is our best two way centerman... and should be viewed as an Ian White. Does everying well, but not great.

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Exactly.

Stajan tailed off.. but your forgetting that Ron Wilson put him on the checking line, which helped his game defensively. for the last 2/3 of the season, Stajan was playing with Stempniak, Deveaux, Devereaux or Hamilton.... At times he also played with Hagman and Blake, but not for the majority of that period.

Meanwhile, for the last 2/3 of the season, grabovski was playing with Kulemin and Ponikarovsky/Hagman.... so therefor Grabovski had a lot more oppertunities offensively.

Stajan was our best Centerman. He proved that in points, faceoffs, and +/-. He played on the PK, PP, ES. He got 40 of his 55 points on ES.... He is our best two way centerman... and should be viewed as an Ian White. Does everying well, but not great.
and why did he play with those guys near the end of the season? His 55 points should state that he should of been playing with better players. Stajan is what he is, a tweener.

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Exactly.

Stajan tailed off.. but your forgetting that Ron Wilson put him on the checking line, which helped his game defensively. for the last 2/3 of the season, Stajan was playing with Stempniak, Deveaux, Devereaux or Hamilton.... At times he also played with Hagman and Blake, but not for the majority of that period.

Meanwhile, for the last 2/3 of the season, grabovski was playing with Kulemin and Ponikarovsky/Hagman.... so therefor Grabovski had a lot more oppertunities offensively.

Stajan was our best Centerman. He proved that in points, faceoffs, and +/-. He played on the PK, PP, ES. He got 40 of his 55 points on ES.... He is our best two way centerman... and should be viewed as an Ian White. Does everying well, but not great.
I like Grabovski quite a bit more than Milquetoast Stajan, but Grabovski at this point isn't as good a Stajan. I believe Grabovski is more talented, but it isn't always about talent.

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and why did he play with those guys near the end of the season? His 55 points should state that he should of been playing with better players. Stajan is what he is, a tweener.
Funny how his point production didn't fall of that much. For the first half of the season. He had 30 points?.... Second half, 25.... not bad with the wingers he was with....

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I like Grabovski quite a bit more than Milquetoast Stajan, but Grabovski at this point isn't as good a Stajan. I believe Grabovski is more talented, but it isn't always about talent.
Agreed. Plus Burke thinks that Stajan can improve off of last season!

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Actually, my guy wasn't available, so I'm fine with Kadri.

Coyotes took my guy.
I know you are an OEL fan boy. I doubt you would be as hard as him if he said he wanted to crack the Coyote lineup this year. Right?

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Which isn't exactly hard.
that's for sure.

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McKeen's had Kadri ranked as 9th. overall in their final rankings.

He wasn't a stretch where the Leafs picked.

Let's hope his talent is better than quite a few Leafs' players, but that doesn't mean he is ready to compete in a physical position with mature men.

Burke talks a lot, and much of what he says I don't believe.
Burkie has been pretty straight forward though. Kadri might have raised his stock at the WJHC's though i think,so we're lucky in a way.

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Assuming both are sincere, it's futile to whine about something you have no control over. Isn't it something you grow out of after your teenage years have passed? "Give me strength to change the things I can change, and the strength to accept the things I can't change ..." or however that goes. Taking it to the point of hoping for your unannointed one to fail, bust or even get hurt, is just childish.
And the wisdom to know the difference.

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So now we're hoping Kadri gets knocked down a level because he wants to make the team?

First its Schenn (and still is) now its Kadri.
I'm not sure if you're refering to my post, but if so, that is not the case. I can't count how many players over the years, had endless ammounts of talent to make the NHL but just couldn't take that extra step. How many current NHLers had great success in the minors as prolific scorers, only to end up as NHLers who ply their trade as checkers or defensive specialists? I hope Kadri can make an impact in the NHL, but as so many players before him have proven time and time again, it's no easy jump and not guaranteed you'll make it. If he thinks it's going to be a cake walk, he will be in for a suprise. Don't remember Stamkos or Tavares being as cocky and self assured.

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I know you are an OEL fan boy. I doubt you would be as hard as him if he said he wanted to crack the Coyote lineup this year. Right?
If Stralman said he wanted to be Leafs or SEL would anyone here claim he wasn't willing to earn it?

Actually, you don't have to answer because all we ever heard was how Stralman saying he wanted to play in the NHL not the AHL was an indicator that he thought he was too good for the minors. Now we have Kadri suggesting he's coming to the Leafs to make the NHL, same thing Stralman said, but coming out of Kadri's mouth it is a positive.

So tell me who has double standards.


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So tell me who has double standards.
I give, who?

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I give, who?
Maybe we should have a survey on HF's main board?

Which team's fans have the most double standards?

I'm guessing top 3 would be: Habs, Leafs, Islanders

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Maybe we should have a survey on HF's main board?

Which team's fans have the most double standards?

I'm guessing top 3 would be: Habs, Leafs, Islanders
Wouldn't be a shocking revelation.

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The NHL's Central Scouting service had him 15th best NA skater.



Kadri wouldn't have been my pick .. Him and his father are diehard Habs fans and Kadri grew up hating the Leafs up until the second he was drafted ..

Kadri's belief and attitude about "entitlement" making the Leafs, can also be found in his scouting reports about his personality before he was drafted ..

From McKeens' and one of McKeens main amateur scouts posted this about him back in March 2009.



Lets hope this pick works out for the Leafs, but I have my concerns.
As soon as you see Despres at 8 from NHL's central scouting, you know there is something wrong.

Why do you always try to bring out the negatives in a topic?

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The NHL's Central Scouting service had him 15th best NA skater. So he was a reach according to their Scouting Service.



Kadri wouldn't have been my pick .. Him and his father are diehard Habs fans and Kadri grew up hating the Leafs up until the second he was drafted .. Kadri's belief and attitude about "entitlement" making the Leafs, can also be found in his various scouting reports about his personality before he was drafted ..

From McKeens' and one of McKeens main amateur scouts posted this about him back in March 2009.



Lets hope this pick works out for the Leafs, nothing we can do to change it..
and how many times have been you proven wrong Mess? In 2008, you told us to stay away from Tyler Myers as he's likely a bust. Now he's an up and coming stud. You had Pouliot as a top 5 pick in 2005, you had Anthony Stewart as a high pick . You have your preference of players, doesn't make the selection bad or good. Don't mix the two up.

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Wouldn't be a shocking revelation.
Would just be another opportunity to take pot shots at Leafs' fans.

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As soon as you see Despres at 8 from NHL's central scouting, you know there is something wrong.

Why do you always try to bring out the negatives in a topic?
Every story has two sides and both sides need to represented on a message board to have an open a fair honest discussion.

Its not meant to be controversial, nor bring out posters negative responses in defense. In an unbiased discussion you have to take the good with the bad of various reports, discuss them and then we can all form our own opinions. These are not my opinions I have posted by CSS and McKeens scouting reports on the topic. Not sure what trying to sweep the negative parts away or try to ignore them when they exist does.. Kadri has some real good elite offensive talent but his attitude has been questioned by scouts also..

Character is something myself personally I put a lot of weight on when I evaluate a player, and being quietly confident and humble is a trait that stands out.. Kadri has a strong personality (scouting reports back that up), and an attitude that he is better then most.. Some times this works out as self confidence is good, but too much arrogance in a personality can be bad.

Now we have to wait and see how this pick works out..

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Would just be another opportunity to take pot shots at Leafs' fans.
Why? We do a good enough job of belittling each other.

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