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12-08-2015, 08:59 PM
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A League Of Their Own

Did dottie drop the ball on purpose!?!?

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Did dottie drop the ball on purpose!?!?
No. The central conflict between Dottie and Kit was the perception/reality that Kit was in the league at all because of Dottie's exceptional talent, looks, etc. Dottie's not stupid--she realizes if she "gave" her sister the championship win by intentionally dropping the ball, it'd just be her doing what Kit always accused of her doing in the first place, whether intentionally or not. And if Kit found out or realized it, their relationship would be forever destroyed. Instead she gives Kit the one thing Kit ever truly wanted--the chance to stand on her own two feet and maybe exceed her perfect older sister at something, if just for a moment, for just one game. Not so Kit can prove it to Dottie so much, but rather to herself. So Dottie leaves it all out there on that final play, because that's what she owes to Kit--to be the very best player in the league in the final play of the most important game of the season. That is what Kit needs to finally step out of Dottie's shadow. And in Kit rising to the challenge, they are able to lay to rest the rivalry and baggage between them. Which is all Dottie ever wanted of course--but dropping the ball on purpose would have been a thin coat of paint over their fractured relationship. She had to try to win the game to truly have earned their reconciliation.

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Probably a Canadian they can't catch.

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Such a great movie.

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Nah, but probably had an inner conflict to (at least want to) do so.

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She definitely dropped the ball on purpose.

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Nah, if Dottie wanted to throw the game, she would have struck out on purpose at the top of the inning. Loved that movie, but one nitpicky thing gets me about Dottie's last AB.

When Dottie comes up, there are runners on 2nd/3rd with two outs. Dottie is batting approximately .950 in the movie from what I can gather. Normal baseball logic would be to intentionally walk her and face a lesser hitter with a force play at each base. I thought it would have been a nice tweak if the Racine manager had told Kit to pitch around Dottie, but Kit was too proud to do it.

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Does not matter she would have been safe anyway because Dottie did not give her a clear lane to the plate lol

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I don't think Dottie lost on purpose, but it may have been an internal thing.

-She was telling the pitcher to go for fast balls cause Kit had trouble with those wanting her to strike out. She had told her sister to lay off of them the whole movie, when Kit finally hit one, Dottie's in shock.

-I think Dottie lost her cool when her sister hit it and ran thru the sign and was coming at her like a freight train. All movie long she had basically told Kit how to do things in an "I told you so" way and now here she was, hit a fastball and ignored the signals. Kit was doing it her way. She may not have dropped the ball on purpose, but she didn't have the same focus.

-Dottie had held onto the ball before when she was rocked, but that was early in the film before all the family/husband stuff started catching up to her. She was more committed the first time, now she knew her end in baseball was on the horizon.

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She dropped it on purpose.

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Tom Hanks is so funny in this movie.

"Well there was a fire. That you started, and I paid for."

"By the way I loved you in The Wizard of Oz."

"Avoid the clap, Jimmy Dugan
That's good advice!"

Don't think she dropped the ball on purpose.

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No, she got legitimately beat by Kit for one game.

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I always thought she did

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No. The central conflict between Dottie and Kit was the perception/reality that Kit was in the league at all because of Dottie's exceptional talent, looks, etc. Dottie's not stupid--she realizes if she "gave" her sister the championship win by intentionally dropping the ball, it'd just be her doing what Kit always accused of her doing in the first place, whether intentionally or not. And if Kit found out or realized it, their relationship would be forever destroyed. Instead she gives Kit the one thing Kit ever truly wanted--the chance to stand on her own two feet and maybe exceed her perfect older sister at something, if just for a moment, for just one game. Not so Kit can prove it to Dottie so much, but rather to herself. So Dottie leaves it all out there on that final play, because that's what she owes to Kit--to be the very best player in the league in the final play of the most important game of the season. That is what Kit needs to finally step out of Dottie's shadow. And in Kit rising to the challenge, they are able to lay to rest the rivalry and baggage between them. Which is all Dottie ever wanted of course--but dropping the ball on purpose would have been a thin coat of paint over their fractured relationship. She had to try to win the game to truly have earned their reconciliation.
This is actually a really good rundown.

I'm still conflicted whether or not she did, but I'm leaning no.

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This is actually a really good rundown.

I'm still conflicted whether or not she did, but I'm leaning no.
The way it's written, though, implies it's still Dottie who allowed Kit to accomplish something, which would be equally demeaning to Kit, no?

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I think it's perfect that they left it open for you to decide. My personal opinion has always been no though.


Fantastic baseball thought Brodeur, I can't believe I never thought about the fact that they didn't walk her, or pitch around her. Would have been great to see them at least tell Kit that and her be like no way, I can get her out. Even more build for the final scene.

I think this is arguably one of the best baseball movies made, even if girls can't play ball.

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Theres no crying in baseball.
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Tom Hanks is so funny in this movie.
Anyone ever tell you you look like a penis with that little hat on?

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Tom Hanks is so funny in this movie.

"Well there was a fire. That you started, and I paid for."

"By the way I loved you in The Wizard of Oz."

"Avoid the clap, Jimmy Dugan
That's good advice!"

Don't think she dropped the ball on purpose.
Jon Lovitz, though his role was limited to the scout finding the players was great as well.

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I love the line when the snooty charm school instructor was asked what could help the homely Marla Hoooche's appearance and she said, "plenty of night games" Also liked the promo film showing closeups of all the girls faces and then for Marla they pan to along shot and she waves to the camera.

Turns out that actress (the charm school instructor) is a close personal friend of someone I work for and she was just on the phone with her like 5 minutes ago. Cracked up when I saw the thread about League of Their Own after this.

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When Dottie comes up, there are runners on 2nd/3rd with two outs. Dottie is batting approximately .950 in the movie from what I can gather. Normal baseball logic would be to intentionally walk her and face a lesser hitter with a force play at each base. I thought it would have been a nice tweak if the Racine manager had told Kit to pitch around Dottie, but Kit was too proud to do it.
In a similar vein, I've always wondered just why did they pitch to Casey - two outs, runners on second and third, first base open, c'mon.

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The outlook wasn't brilliant for the Mudville nine that day:
The score stood four to two, with but one inning more to play,
And then when Cooney died at first, and Barrows did the same,
A pall-like silence fell upon the patrons of the game.

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But Flynn let drive a single, to the wonderment of all,
And Blake, the much despisèd, tore the cover off the ball;
And when the dust had lifted, and men saw what had occurred,
There was Jimmy safe at second and Flynn a-hugging third.

Then from five thousand throats and more there rose a lusty yell;
It rumbled through the valley, it rattled in the dell;
It pounded on the mountain and recoiled upon the flat,
For Casey, mighty Casey, was advancing to the bat.


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Nah, if Dottie wanted to throw the game, she would have struck out on purpose at the top of the inning. Loved that movie, but one nitpicky thing gets me about Dottie's last AB.

When Dottie comes up, there are runners on 2nd/3rd with two outs. Dottie is batting approximately .950 in the movie from what I can gather. Normal baseball logic would be to intentionally walk her and face a lesser hitter with a force play at each base. I thought it would have been a nice tweak if the Racine manager had told Kit to pitch around Dottie, but Kit was too proud to do it.
She left the team for a few weeks to go back to Oregon. She might have been rusty. On top of that, I believe that is the only at-bat we see of her in the World Series.

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I think this was also the last time Rosie O'Donnell was funny.

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