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Sam Gagner Vs Ryan Kesler

View Poll Results: Which player would you rather have?
Sam Gagner 67 31.75%
Ryan Kesler 144 68.25%
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12-25-2009, 02:45 PM
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One guy says it and we all think it?

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Okay,I'll agree with you.Certain Oilers fans better

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12-25-2009, 02:47 PM
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Really?, not a fair evaluation, gagner has no chance to win this.

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12-25-2009, 02:53 PM
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I do not ever see Kessler being a TRUE first or second line guy...sure he may have those duties now, but its due to lack of depth upfront on the Canucks end...

I think Gagner has a MUCH heigher ceiling and has potential to be a a TRUE first or second line player... I would take Gagner over Kesler every time
Man... 31 points in 37 games, true enough yet?

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12-25-2009, 02:56 PM
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I think Gagner will become a consistent 70 point 1st/2nd line player in the future. Kesler will probably be a 50-60 point shutdown center.
Kesler is already a 50-60 point(could be even 70+ points) shut down centre, selke nominee, and someone who you would build around.

Gagner on the other hand is a young player with potential to be a first line player...

Even if Gagner develops to a top line player that hits 70 points a year it's still debatable because Kesler brings a lot to his game other than points.

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12-25-2009, 05:25 PM
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Not according to dropyourgloves.com (I find it much better at judging fights, they actually administer each user to make sure there's no bias and you have put a review even a blank one and not just vote on the winner):
http://www.dropyourgloves.com/Fights...23#Fight167623

11 reviews, six draws called, four narrow wins for Kesler and one clear win for Kesler. And I fondly remember the fight and would have given a narrow win to Kesler.

Neither guy really lands anything that looks that significant but Kesler throws a couple that appear to land cleaner than anything Gagner threw.
Then why the heck did you say this:

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No, not even close. Gagner lost the fight.
Suck it up. You clearly either forgot about the fight or never even saw it in the first place, and then had to resort to google and youtube when someone called you out on it.

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12-25-2009, 06:00 PM
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One guy says it and we all think it?

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Dont worry about him, he says that on every oiler thread

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12-25-2009, 06:25 PM
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I haven't rewatched that youtube video but I remember Gagner fighting Kesler and Kesler not wanting to embarrass him so he told the refs to step in.

And this is an oiler fan talking. Let me rewatch the video though to refresh my memory.

EDIT: Yeah it sort of looks like Kesler doesn't want to fight him.

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12-25-2009, 06:30 PM
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I haven't rewatched that youtube video but I remember Gagner fighting Kesler and Kesler not wanting to embarrass him so he told the refs to step in.

And this is an oiler fan talking. Let me rewatch the video though to refresh my memory.

EDIT: Yeah it sort of looks like Kesler doesn't want to fight him.
Yea after the game he said Gagner challenged him and he was really surprised, and even though he didn't really want to he couldn't back down.

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12-25-2009, 06:37 PM
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It looks like Penner said something to Kesler, I don't know if it was a threat or something but Penner was about to jump in so maybe Kesler did hold back a little.

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12-25-2009, 07:14 PM
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I like Kesler a lot, he is my favorite Canuck. He was always an underdog, a tough player who no one ever noticed. Then he was put on a line with Mats Sundin and Pavol Demitra and had a career year.

Why this poll is dumb? Kesler is 25 and Sam Gagner just turned 20. Sam Gagner's two seasons as an 18 and 19 year old are better than any season Kesler put up, until this year.

Kesler is easily the better player right now, but I think it is safe to say we have seen the best from Kesler... as in playing on a hot team, and being linemates with a 3 time all-star and HHOF'er.

This is like Jamie Langenbrunner versus Marc Savard.
Gagner was better than Kesler last season?

59 points and a selke nomination.

31 points in 37 games so far (+ excellent defense) without Sundin and Demitra.

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I do not ever see Kessler being a TRUE first or second line guy...sure he may have those duties now, but its due to lack of depth upfront on the Canucks end...

I think Gagner has a MUCH heigher ceiling and has potential to be a a TRUE first or second line player... I would take Gagner over Kesler every time
59 points last season, 31 in 37 this season.

Seems like second line numbers.

On a top 5 scoring team (currently, 11th last season). Admittedly, they do lack depth at center... After Sedin AND KESLER it sucks.


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12-25-2009, 07:36 PM
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I like Kesler a lot, he is my favorite Canuck. He was always an underdog, a tough player who no one ever noticed. Then he was put on a line with Mats Sundin and Pavol Demitra and had a career year.

Why this poll is dumb? Kesler is 25 and Sam Gagner just turned 20. Sam Gagner's two seasons as an 18 and 19 year old are better than any season Kesler put up, until this year.

Kesler is easily the better player right now, but I think it is safe to say we have seen the best from Kesler... as in playing on a hot team, and being linemates with a 3 time all-star and HHOF'er.

This is like Jamie Langenbrunner versus Marc Savard.
That's just stupid. It's not like Kesler is 30, he's not even in his prime yet.

Comparing Sam Gagner to Marc Savard? Really?

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12-25-2009, 07:57 PM
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Comparing Sam Gagner to Marc Savard? Really?
And? Obviously Savard is the better player and I doubt that Gagner can hit the point totals Savard did, but they are both small players who aren't very fast but both have a good head for the game and are great passers. Gagner has outproduced Savard by far in his first two years, I don't think it is ridiculous to suggest Gagner could become a poor man's Marc Savard.

Remember, Gagner is only 20. There is still tons of time for him to develop.

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12-25-2009, 08:03 PM
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I'm suprised how close this is, I'd take Kesler even if I was a rebuilding team.

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Kesler..


..and it's simple. Because there's less Keslers in the league then there are and will be Gagners.

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12-25-2009, 08:23 PM
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And? Obviously Savard is the better player and I doubt that Gagner can hit the point totals Savard did, but they are both small players who aren't very fast but both have a good head for the game and are great passers. Gagner has outproduced Savard by far in his first two years, I don't think it is ridiculous to suggest Gagner could become a poor man's Marc Savard.

Remember, Gagner is only 20. There is still tons of time for him to develop.
Gagner outproduced Thornton in his first two seasons. Means nothing buddy. The guy made a comparasion of Langenbrunner as Kesler, and Savard as Gagner. Fact is, currently Kesler is on par, if not better than Langenbrunner, while Gagner is not even close to Savard right now.

His comparasion in that context was not valid. Maybe a Mike Richards v.s. Marc Savard have been more fair, but Kesler is already as good as Langenbrunner if not better, but Gagner's not close so stupid comparasion.

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12-25-2009, 08:38 PM
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i think that 70 points per season qualifies a player as a "first line player" ...a lower end first liner though..this is under the assumption that there are no other intangibles brought to the table..

kesler is on pace for like 70 points..PLUS he brings tons of intangibles...

considering how young he is..and how his points have increased steadily yet kinda slowly...he's pretty much a first liner now....its arguable.....but ya...i think its safe to say that he WILL be a first liner pretty soon....

so i dont get all the Gagner has higher potential than Kesler crap...ya what..maybe Gagner turns into a 90 point player.......well..that most definitely will not be too much more than what Kesler produces.

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i think that 70 points per season qualifies a player as a "first line player" ...a lower end first liner though..this is under the assumption that there are no other intangibles brought to the table..

kesler is on pace for like 70 points..PLUS he brings tons of intangibles...

considering how young he is..and how his points have increased steadily yet kinda slowly...he's pretty much a first liner now....its arguable.....but ya...i think its safe to say that he WILL be a first liner pretty soon....

so i dont get all the Gagner has higher potential than Kesler crap...ya what..maybe Gagner turns into a 90 point player.......well..that most definitely will not be too much more than what Kesler produces.
his points descreased from first to second season and he's on pace for another point total in the 40's.

I would not want him on the Canucks first line for now.

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Dont worry about him, he says that on every oiler thread
So,you think Kesler is the same player Horcoff is ,not a chance Kesler is better at every aspect of the game,I was just pointing it out.

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So,you think Kesler is the same player Horcoff is ,not a chance Kesler is better at every aspect of the game,I was just pointing it out.
I agree that is a stupid comment, but you dont need to go Oiler fans everytime someone says something that you dont agree with

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Gagner outproduced Thornton in his first two seasons. Means nothing buddy. The guy made a comparasion of Langenbrunner as Kesler, and Savard as Gagner. Fact is, currently Kesler is on par, if not better than Langenbrunner, while Gagner is not even close to Savard right now.

His comparasion in that context was not valid. Maybe a Mike Richards v.s. Marc Savard have been more fair, but Kesler is already as good as Langenbrunner if not better, but Gagner's not close so stupid comparasion.
Of course Gagner is not close to Savard right now! I'm not argueing that, I'm just saying that they share a lot of similar traits and it's not crazy to think Gagner can become a Savard like player!

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Of course Gagner is not close to Savard right now! I'm not argueing that, I'm just saying that they share a lot of similar traits and it's not crazy to think Gagner can become a Savard like player!
They have similar traits but the comparasion of Langenbrunner v.s. Savard is completely unfair.

Kesler is already as good as Langenbrunner if not better, Gagner is not close to Savard's level right now.

That's all I'm trying to say.

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They have similar traits but the comparasion of Langenbrunner v.s. Savard is completely unfair.

Kesler is already as good as Langenbrunner if not better, Gagner is not close to Savard's level right now.

That's all I'm trying to say.
Ah ok, yeah that's true Kesler is already comparable to Langenbrunner.

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I agree that is a stupid comment, but you dont need to go Oiler fans everytime someone says something that you dont agree with
Like a previos poster said and I agreed with him,I should have said,what I told you,that Kesler is better in all aspects in the game.

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Of course Gagner is not close to Savard right now! I'm not argueing that, I'm just saying that they share a lot of similar traits and it's not crazy to think Gagner can become a Savard like player!
I agree with this,Gagner is a very good hockey player and may one day be as good as Savard,but presently you got to take Kesler.

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Kesler and it's not even close.

Call me a homer if you will, but there is no way in hell I would take Sam Gagner over Ryan Kesler.

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