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08-27-2009, 07:00 PM
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Lowrie had another setback last night. I don't know what the deal is but that surgery doesn't seem to have done the trick. Hopefully he's not done before he ever started but it seems like, for this season, the Sox will have to live with Chris Woodward or some other version of Gil Velasquez as the emergency middle infielder and, for next season, the merry-go-round of SS will probably continue.
I've written Jed off for this season, and I really think they need to explore options outside of the organization at SS going forward in 2010. He's had nothing but injury problems the past year and a halfm mostly of the wrist variety which is a big concern.The upcoming SS free agent class is miserable, so they'd need to get creative for an external option (Jose Reyes if the Mets blow it up?). Gonzo is swinging the bat pretty good right now, and is as smooth as ever with the glove (UZR, be damned).

As for Penny, he was very serviceable as a #5 guy, but Matsuzaka and Wakefield's injuries along with Smoltz ineffectiveness kicked him too far up the chain. For a guy that throws 95% fastballs, it's amazing that he had as much success as he did. He also was a lot more classy on the way out the door than I expected, giving nothing but high praise for the shoulder program the Sox have. Maybe he latches on with an NL team in the race (Colorado? San Francisco?) the next few days. I can see him having some success in the NL.

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nick green is pitching, it's unbelievable

2 scoreless innings, 0 hits, 3 BB. Better than Craig Hansen.

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He actually didn't do a bad job, lol.

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Dammit - we need to bring back Brad Penny !!!!!!!!!

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I've written Jed off for this season, and I really think they need to explore options outside of the organization at SS going forward in 2010. He's had nothing but injury problems the past year and a halfm mostly of the wrist variety which is a big concern.The upcoming SS free agent class is miserable, so they'd need to get creative for an external option (Jose Reyes if the Mets blow it up?). Gonzo is swinging the bat pretty good right now, and is as smooth as ever with the glove (UZR, be damned).

The SS free agent class is indeed miserable. I was OK w/ the Guzman rumor (remember that?!?) for that reason, but I will admit at the time I was under the impression he was good defensively. Maybe not. Anyway, I think they keep Gonzalez this time around. It would be a mistake to overpay for Scutaro's career year (Lugo part two if you ask me) and I don't think the Reyes thing will happen with Minaya in charge.

The Lowrie thing is really just too bad. I think if he can stay healthy he has a future but wrist injuries are to hitters what shoulder injuries are to pitchers. I don't want to see him back this season...I'd rather he see 13 different specialists and do whatever it takes to get his career back on track, even if that means more surgery or whatever.

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WOW what a game tonight, was all excited that i got a Bosox game out here and the pitching was horrible Tazawa (sp) was bad tonight they were drilling everything he through, the Jays have a weekend set with them so will hopeflly get to enjoy some of it

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That's gettin pretty desperate isn't it? haha maybe get Smotlz back too haha

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The SS free agent class is indeed miserable. I was OK w/ the Guzman rumor (remember that?!?) for that reason, but I will admit at the time I was under the impression he was good defensively. Maybe not. Anyway, I think they keep Gonzalez this time around. It would be a mistake to overpay for Scutaro's career year (Lugo part two if you ask me) and I don't think the Reyes thing will happen with Minaya in charge.
The Sox haven't exactly had great luck signing shortstops anyways. Would have preferred if they went after Jack Wilson.

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The Sox haven't exactly had great luck signing shortstops anyways. Would have preferred if they went after Jack Wilson.
Could have been worse. If the Player's Association hadn't interfered, we would have wound up with A-Fraud.

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08-28-2009, 11:23 AM
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The SS free agent class is indeed miserable. I was OK w/ the Guzman rumor (remember that?!?) for that reason, but I will admit at the time I was under the impression he was good defensively. Maybe not. Anyway, I think they keep Gonzalez this time around. It would be a mistake to overpay for Scutaro's career year (Lugo part two if you ask me) and I don't think the Reyes thing will happen with Minaya in charge.

The Lowrie thing is really just too bad. I think if he can stay healthy he has a future but wrist injuries are to hitters what shoulder injuries are to pitchers. I don't want to see him back this season...I'd rather he see 13 different specialists and do whatever it takes to get his career back on track, even if that means more surgery or whatever.
The SS class this year is very poor but what about the 3B class after next season?

And with Mike Lowell barely outrunning glaciers and on his last leg, is it prudent to have him slotted as the starting 3B going into next year? I know Martinez takes the pressure off Lowell because he lets Youk play 3rd often enough, but every game Martinez is at first means Varitek is behind the plate.

Personally, I think they should trade him to any team that wants his $12M price tag and sign Figgins if he makes it to free agency.

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08-28-2009, 02:47 PM
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The SS class this year is very poor but what about the 3B class after next season?

And with Mike Lowell barely outrunning glaciers and on his last leg, is it prudent to have him slotted as the starting 3B going into next year? I know Martinez takes the pressure off Lowell because he lets Youk play 3rd often enough, but every game Martinez is at first means Varitek is behind the plate.

Personally, I think they should trade him to any team that wants his $12M price tag and sign Figgins if he makes it to free agency.
Lowell probably has trade value as a DH to someone if the Sox eat part of his contract. I'd guess they solve the corner infield issues with a combo of Youk, Martinez, and Kotchman. Or revisit the trade for Adrian Gonzalez. I don't see much help coming from free agency for the SS or 3B positions.

2010:
Shortstops
Orlando Cabrera OAK
Bobby Crosby OAK
Adam Everett DET
Alex Gonzalez * CIN
Khalil Greene STL
John McDonald TOR
Marco Scutaro TOR
Miguel Tejada HOU
Jack Wilson * PIT

Third Basemen
Adrian Beltre SEA
Hank Blalock TEX
Geoff Blum HOU
Joe Crede MIN
Pedro Feliz * PHI
Chone Figgins LAA
Troy Glaus STL
Mike Lamb MIL
Melvin Mora * BAL

2011
Shortstops
Alex Gonzalez CIN
Christian Guzman WAS
J.J. Hardy MIL
Omar Infante ATL *
Cesar Izturis BAL
Derek Jeter NYY
Julio Lugo BOS *
Jhonny Peralta CLE *
Edgar Renteria SF
Jose Reyes NYM *
Jimmy Rollins PHI *
Ramon Santiago DET
Ramon Vazquez PIT
Jack Wilson PIT

Third Basemen
Garrett Atkins COL
Wilson Betemit CWS
Jorge Cantu FLA
Eric Chavez OAK *
Pedro Feliz PHI
Bill Hall MIL *
Brandon Inge DET
Maicer Izturis LAA
Mike Lowell BOS
Melvin Mora BAL
Nick Punto MIN *
Scott Rolen TOR
Ty Wigginton BAL

http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/200...-for-2011.html

All eyes will be on Joe Mauer for 2011. The Sox also have to re-sign Beckett that offseason.

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I'd go after Feliz. He's been real solid here for the Phillies. I don't know if the Phillies are bringing him back, after the money they've been forking out, it's going to be time for some guys to go. Amaro might be looking to swing a trade or two to save money.

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I'd go after Feliz. He's been real solid here for the Phillies. I don't know if the Phillies are bringing him back, after the money they've been forking out, it's going to be time for some guys to go. Amaro might be looking to swing a trade or two to save money.
No thanks on Pedro Feliz. His power numbers have been way down the past 2 season, and his OBP is awful. Not to mention his mediocre at best in the field.

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regarding free agents for 3B and SS after next year (I'm assuming they'll pick up Gonzo's option this time around), I can live with Varitek behind the plate for one more year while Martinez is your fulltime 1B, and Youk is moved to 3B. I love Lowell, but the guy can't field anymore, and it's painful to watch him run the bases, time to cut him loose.

After next year, make a big push for Mauer as Tek's replacement.

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Chone Figgins is on that list, though.

Lifetime .293 hitter, averages 50 stolen bases, has had a couple great defensive years, his OBP this year is hovering around .400 - he'd be a great "second leadoff" guy hitting 6th or 7th.

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regarding free agents for 3B and SS after next year (I'm assuming they'll pick up Gonzo's option this time around), I can live with Varitek behind the plate for one more year while Martinez is your fulltime 1B, and Youk is moved to 3B. I love Lowell, but the guy can't field anymore, and it's painful to watch him run the bases, time to cut him loose.

After next year, make a big push for Mauer as Tek's replacement.
I'd be extremely surprised if the Sox used free agency to add a corner infielder. They have 'em already and those available are not cornerstone players. Figgins is intriguing because he could credibly lead off, but I tend to believe Boston would favor more production out of those corner spots. VMart can certainly catch but it's a situation where you can have him for ~120 games as your full time C or for ~150 games splitting time at 1B and C with Varitek. I've always liked Kotchman too, so I wouldn't mind seeing him get more ABs and develop his LF Fenway stroke.

They also need to retain or replace JayBay and Gonzalez.

I think their other huge goal this offseason will be to pick one DH out of Lowell and Ortiz and see if they can revisit the 2 deadline deals that almost-were related to King Felix or Adrian Gonzalez. That'll be their Teixeira-ish wild goose chase this offseason.

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I'd be extremely surprised if the Sox used free agency to add a corner infielder. They have 'em already and those available are not cornerstone players. Figgins is intriguing because he could credibly lead off, but I tend to believe Boston would favor more production out of those corner spots. VMart can certainly catch but it's a situation where you can have him for ~120 games as your full time C or for ~150 games splitting time at 1B and C with Varitek. I've always liked Kotchman too, so I wouldn't mind seeing him get more ABs and develop his LF Fenway stroke.

They also need to retain or replace JayBay and Gonzalez.

I think their other huge goal this offseason will be to pick one DH out of Lowell and Ortiz and see if they can revisit the 2 deadline deals that almost-were related to King Felix or Adrian Gonzalez. That'll be their Teixeira-ish wild goose chase this offseason.
For Hernandez, anything.

Kelly, Ortiz, Anderson, Westmoreland, Matsuzaka... it's all worth it to get him in Boston for years to come.

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The Yankees claimed Chris Carter on waivers, who was supposed to be traded for Wagner but the Mets will have to wait until after the year to get him.

Boneheaded move by Theo....why didn't he put this guy through waivers early in the month when he would have cleared easily? Because of his stupidity, they have to waste a 40 man roster spot on Carter that could have been used to get Daisuke and/or Paul Byrd back on the 40 man roster on September 1.

Of course, I don't care much for Billy Wagner anyway. I thought one egomaniacal closer per team was enough.

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Daisuke is coming back on 9/9 against the Orioles.

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Daisuke is coming back on 9/9 against the Orioles.
Cool...when's the real Josh Beckett coming back?

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Cool...when's the real Josh Beckett coming back?
Something is up with Beckett. Three straight poor outings, that's just not Beckett-like. August has always been his worst month, but this season is especially bad.

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Something is up with Beckett. Three straight poor outings, that's just not Beckett-like. August has always been his worst month, but this season is especially bad.
He's opening up his shoulder just a buit on his release from what I've noticed. Tonight's preformance was solely bad because of all the walks.

His curveball was still bad tonight.

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Boy - it's never dull with Papelbon on the mound in the 9th inning. I don't get to see every game here in BC but I can't remember the last easy 1-2-3 9th inning that he had. I was getting some bad Bob Stanley and Mark Clear flashbacks tonight.

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Boy - it's never dull with Papelbon on the mound in the 9th inning. I don't get to see every game here in BC but I can't remember the last easy 1-2-3 9th inning that he had. I was getting some bad Bob Stanley and Mark Clear flashbacks tonight.
to be fair to him, tonights 2 "hits" were bloops. He jammed Overbay with a fastball in, and overbay managed to drop it in front of Drew. The single Wells had, should have been caught by Ellsbury, but he got a bad read off the bat.

But yes, it's been discussed at length here about how Papelbon has been far more hittable this year. He changed his mechanics at the beginning of the year to lessen the burden on his arm and shoulder, and asa result his location went to ****. He has since gone back to his old mechanics, and the results have been much better.

The only thing that concerns me about Papelbon this year, isn't so much the innnigns pitch, but more of the amount of pitches he goes out and throws. He's thrown 154 pitches in 9 innings this month, that is far too many.


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