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08-26-2009, 12:57 PM
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Raises for notable 2010 RFAs

What kind of raises can these guys expect?

Nicklas Backstrom-4.5-5.5M
Braydon Coburn-2.75-3.5M
Bobby Ryan-3.75-5M
Erik Johnson-2-3M
Duncan Keith-4.75-5.75M
Patrick Kane-5-6M
Jonathon Toews-5-6M
Alexander Semin-5.25-6.25M
Cam Ward-4-5M
Ryan Kesler-3-4M
Joe Pavelski-3.25-4.25M
Sam Gagner-1.75-3M
David Perron-2-3M
Blake Wheeler-2-4M
Bryan Little-3.25-4.5M
Carey Price-3-4M (could be much more or less)
Peter Mueller-1.5-2.75M
Derick Brassard-1.5-4M (could be a big year for him)
Devin Setoguchi-3-4.5M
Marc Staal-2-3M
Milan Lucic-2.5-4M
Kris Letang-2-4M

Those are my guesses for their new cap hits.


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08-26-2009, 01:04 PM
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i think most of your numbers are too high...you have to be very careful about throwing too much money at early 20somethings....it not time for their 'paydays' yet, thats the next contract if they earn it.

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cam ward to flyers...1 billion dollars, whatever it takes

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i think most of your numbers are too high...you have to be very careful about throwing too much money at early 20somethings....it not time for their 'paydays' yet, thats the next contract if they earn it.
Have you been paying attention the last few years? The "second contract" is gone.

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What kind of raises can these guys expect?

Nicklas Backstrom-4.5-5.5M
Braydon Coburn-2.75-3.5M
Duncan Keith-4.75-5.75M
Patrick Kane-5-6M
Jonathon Toews-5-6M
Alexander Semin-5.25-6.25M
Cam Ward-4-5M
Ryan Kesler-3-4M
Joe Pavelski-3.25-4.25M
Sam Gagner-1.75-3M
David Perron-2-3M
Blake Wheeler-2-4M
Bryan Little-3.25-4.5M
Carey Price-3-4M (could be much more or less)
Peter Mueller-1.5-2.75M
Derick Brassard-1.5-4M (could be a big year for him)
Devin Setoguchi-3-4.5M
Marc Staal-2-3M
Milan Lucic-2.5-4M
Kris Letang-2-4M

Those are my guesses for their new cap hits.
I bolded the ones too High of a Cap Hit.
Lucic will get 1.75 for 3 years im guessing.
Price wont get anything above what Cam Ward got his first contract re-signing. (and Cam Ward was a Conn Smythe winner)
Keith will prolly sign for Less becuz he seems like the Team Player type. id Guess Salo type money 3.5 3 years type deal.
Just becuz Backstrom plays with Ovy. doesnt mean he'll get paid for it right now. Let him prove he is a true Number 1 Centre, than give him that money, my Guess 3.75 Short term.
Ryan Kesler will sign LONG term Low cap hit, such as Franzon type deal. Keeping him a nuck till the day his career dies.

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08-26-2009, 01:29 PM
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What kind of raises can these guys expect?


Kris Letang-2-4M

Those are my guesses for their new cap hits.
2 mill per for 5 seasons would be a dream come true

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I bolded the ones too High of a Cap Hit.
Lucic will get 1.75 for 3 years im guessing.
Price wont get anything above what Cam Ward got his first contract re-signing. (and Cam Ward was a Conn Smythe winner)
Keith will prolly sign for Less becuz he seems like the Team Player type. id Guess Salo type money 3.5 3 years type deal.
Just becuz Backstrom plays with Ovy. doesnt mean he'll get paid for it right now. Let him prove he is a true Number 1 Centre, than give him that money, my Guess 3.75 Short term.
Ryan Kesler will sign LONG term Low cap hit, such as Franzon type deal. Keeping him a nuck till the day his career dies.
sorry man but Backstom's going to get paid. How long till he proves he # 1 exactly? I think hes done a great job. On the OPEN market id say he gets around 7 mill. He may take a discount along with Semin...

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Bobby Ryan 4.5-5.5M


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I bolded the ones too High of a Cap Hit.
Lucic will get 1.75 for 3 years im guessing.
If Lucic signs for 1.75, I hope he fires his agent. He'd get close to $4 million on the open market. Anything under $3.5 is massive overpayment.

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Just becuz Backstrom plays with Ovy. doesnt mean he'll get paid for it right now. Let him prove he is a true Number 1 Centre, than give him that money,
In what universe is 88 points not #1 center numbers? Only eight guys had more points than him, and of those eight, only 5 are centers. I'd say he's probably a #1 center, no matter who he's playing with.

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sorry man but Backstom's going to get paid. How long till he proves he # 1 exactly? I think hes done a great job. On the OPEN market id say he gets around 7 mill. He may take a discount along with Semin...
NO WAY Backstrom get's that kind of money on the open market. If he does, it will be from one of the usual suspects (you know who I mean).

See Marc Savard. He makes 5M, and he did it for many years on a worse team (with a similarly gifted scorer on his line). Their numbers are VERY comparable, the only difference is the hype they've had coming into the league. Handing Backstrom that kind of money could land a team with a Gomez-type albatross hanging around their neck - he hasn't proven enough, and could very well be a 50-point player without the best goalscorer of the decade (and arguably two decades) on his wing.

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I bolded the ones too High of a Cap Hit.
Lucic will get 1.75 for 3 years im guessing.
Price wont get anything above what Cam Ward got his first contract re-signing. (and Cam Ward was a Conn Smythe winner)
Keith will prolly sign for Less becuz he seems like the Team Player type. id Guess Salo type money 3.5 3 years type deal.
Just becuz Backstrom plays with Ovy. doesnt mean he'll get paid for it right now. Let him prove he is a true Number 1 Centre, than give him that money, my Guess 3.75 Short term.
Ryan Kesler will sign LONG term Low cap hit, such as Franzon type deal. Keeping him a nuck till the day his career dies.
If someone throws Ketih 2+ million more per year or a few years longer then you really think he wont bite on that one and opt to move? I also think Kane is going to get a nice hefty paycheck too. its going to be interesting watching how the hawks keep all these kids of theirs.

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If Lucic signs for 1.75, I hope he fires his agent. He'd get close to $4 million on the open market. Anything under $3.5 is massive overpayment.


In what universe is 88 points not #1 center numbers? Only eight guys had more points than him, and of those eight, only 5 are centers. I'd say he's probably a #1 center, no matter who he's playing with.
lucic isnt going to get more than 3 mil

he has yet to even score more than 20 goals in a season man, be serious. hell krecji is only getting 3.75 mil and he got 75 points last season, thats double what lucic got....

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NO WAY Backstrom get's that kind of money on the open market. If he does, it will be from one of the usual suspects (you know who I mean).

See Marc Savard. He makes 5M, and he did it for many years on a worse team (with a similarly gifted scorer on his line). Their numbers are VERY comparable, the only difference is the hype they've had coming into the league. Handing Backstrom that kind of money could land a team with a Gomez-type albatross hanging around their neck - he hasn't proven enough, and could very well be a 50-point player without the best goalscorer of the decade and arguably two on his wing.
So if Kronwall makes 3 million then most defensemen should make well below him right? And if Jeff Finger makes what he makes, then Brett Lebda should also make 3-4 million?

Just because a player has the contract he does on one team does not mean another player shouldnt get more. You honestly think Backstrom shouldnt get more then 5 million if he has the year many are projecting? Gimme a break.

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I bolded the ones too High of a Cap Hit.
Lucic will get 1.75 for 3 years im guessing.
Price wont get anything above what Cam Ward got his first contract re-signing. (and Cam Ward was a Conn Smythe winner)
Keith will prolly sign for Less becuz he seems like the Team Player type. id Guess Salo type money 3.5 3 years type deal.
Just becuz Backstrom plays with Ovy. doesnt mean he'll get paid for it right now. Let him prove he is a true Number 1 Centre, than give him that money, my Guess 3.75 Short term.
Ryan Kesler will sign LONG term Low cap hit, such as Franzon type deal. Keeping him a nuck till the day his career dies.
All of these guys are gonna get paid big time. Keith at 3.5 is a flat out steal for the Hawks. Not gonna happen.

Lucic for 1.75 X 3?

Backstrom's offer sheet fodder as well. BIG money coming to him.

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NO WAY Backstrom get's that kind of money on the open market. If he does, it will be from one of the usual suspects (you know who I mean).

See Marc Savard. He makes 5M, and he did it for many years on a worse team (with a similarly gifted scorer on his line). Their numbers are VERY comparable, the only difference is the hype they've had coming into the league. Handing Backstrom that kind of money could land a team with a Gomez-type albatross hanging around their neck - he hasn't proven enough, and could very well be a 50-point player without the best goalscorer of the decade (and arguably two decades) on his wing.
ya but marc savard most likely took a discount to play with zdeno chara who had just signed as well

he has one of the best contracts in the league. 80-90+ points a season for 5 mil is great.

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lucic isnt going to get more than 3 mil

he has yet to even score more than 20 goals in a season man, be serious. hell krecji is only getting 3.75 mil and he got 75 points last season, thats double what lucic got....
I'd rather Lucic than Krecji - and I would gladly pay him 5 million over a long term to get him. You can't teach size, grit, character and skill.

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So if Kronwall makes 3 million then most defensemen should make well below him right? And if Jeff Finger makes what he makes, then Brett Lebda should also make 3-4 million?

Just because a player has the contract he does on one team does not mean another player shouldnt get more. You honestly think Backstrom shouldnt get more then 5 million if he has the year many are projecting? Gimme a break.
Backstrom has the exact same reputational problem. If it doesn't have the exact same effect on his contract negotiations, it will be because of the way he was hyped as a prospect. My point is that I doubt another team is going to offer him that kind of money, meaning the Capitals won't have to pay him. If other teams were to offer him that kind of money, I think it would be a mistake. On the other hand, it may be worthwhile for the Caps to pay him if they do, as it seems likely that him and Ovechkin will continue to produce. The question another team has to ask is whether he can do the same for them, making it an expensive risk.


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Have you been paying attention the last few years? The "second contract" is gone.
Zajac (4yrs, 3.875), Krejci (3yrs, 3.75)?

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I'd be willing to offersheet Lucic from a Leafs standpoint...Don't care about the picks..Lucic is my BOY..

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If Lucic signs for 1.75, I hope he fires his agent. He'd get close to $4 million on the open market. Anything under $3.5 is massive overpayment.
Lucic is a 17 goal-scorer with first-line icetime alongside one of the best playmakers in hockey getting his first contract after his entry-level deal. I realize his style of play gives him good PR, particularly in Boston, but unless he explodes as a scorer next year, 1.75 million/year is actually pretty high.

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Lucic is a 17 goal-scorer with first-line icetime alongside one of the best playmakers in hockey getting his first contract after his entry-level deal. I realize his style of play gives him good PR, particularly in Boston, but unless he explodes as a scorer next year, 1.75 million/year is actually pretty high.

So, your saying hes closer to Troy Brouwer than Buff?

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Assuming the Oilers players progress and don't sign crazy long term deals, I could see...

Gagner- 2.3 - 2.9M
Cogliano- 2.0 - 2.5M
Grebeshkov- 3.3 - 4.0M
Deslauriers- 0.8 - 1.3M

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So, your saying hes closer to Troy Brouwer than Buff?
Buff?

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Buff?
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