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NHLPA fires Paul Kelly (UPD: player review of firing completed)

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10-26-2009, 11:10 PM
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Meh - firing Kelly was approved by the player reps as well. I understand they didn't take it back to the players, but as you're aware, they weren't required to. They couldn't even manage quorum in either conference call and they were unable to even get this committee approved without Chelios and his pals calling around and pestering people for a couple days after.
Nor was it was not pushed through in an all night marathon sitting.

And it was on the agenda well before the conference calls unlike the Kelly coup where a number of reps were unaware of what was happening until they arrived at the meeting.

The vote (and quorum) was achieved in accordance with the constitution to establish the committee.

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10-27-2009, 12:02 AM
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Excerpt from brief report by Scott Burnside


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2. NHLPA: What goes around comes around
Speaking of the NHLPA, the irony is just too rich. Former executive director Paul Kelly was dismissed in August by the NHLPA's 30 player reps in large part because of a fishy staff review spearheaded by general counsel Ian Penny, who assumed Kelly's role on an interim basis.
Now, those player reps have decided they need to get straight how all this nastiness unfolded, so they formed a four-person committee of Chris Chelios, Rob Blake, Nicklas Lidstrom and Mark Recchi. Now, it's Penny complaining about the "poisonous" atmosphere around the NHLPA offices.

In a memo to the league's 30 player reps, Penny accused Chelios, a supporter of Kelly who tried to stop the middle-of-the-night vote to oust him, of using union staffers to spy on other union officials.

Penny wrote, "This completely inappropriate conduct has created a hostile, fractured and distrustful work environment. It is the type of environment that exists in repressive, totalitarian regimes -- not work places."
http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/column...ott&id=4596304

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10-27-2009, 08:57 AM
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It's getting even more weird...

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Penny's resignation both necessary and overdue
By STEVE SIMMONS


This is how screwed up the National Hockey League Players' Association is: They can't even get their own memos straight.

Embattled interim leader Ian Penny is apparently "prepared to resign" from the NHLPA and believes he had been "constructively dismissed" by the union, Penny writes in a memorandum sent to the Executive Board of players, and obtained by the Toronto Sun.

Or he isn't prepared to resign but would rather work this out. It depends which of two memos written by Penny and sent in the same email you happen to believe.
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Under the category of Leaking of Internal Information, Penny writes to the player reps that: "Sensitive, confidential union information is appearing in the media within minutes of the meetings' conclusions. These leaks have resulted in a siege mentaility among staff and have created the perception that we are an ineffectual organization incapable of governing itself."

"The truth of the matter is that I would have no difficultly being held accountable," wrote Penny.
http://www.torontosun.com/sports/col...36936-sun.html

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10-27-2009, 12:45 PM
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It's getting even more weird...



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Under the category of Leaking of Internal Information, Penny writes to the player reps that: "Sensitive, confidential union information is appearing in the media within minutes of the meetings' conclusions. These leaks have resulted in a siege mentaility among staff and have created the perception that we are an ineffectual organization incapable of governing itself."
http://www.torontosun.com/sports/col...36936-sun.html
I found it terrible when the anti-Penny forces leaked that spurious legal opinion on Kelly's firing from Eagleson's buddy, Roy McMurtry to the various media outlets... oh wait

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10-27-2009, 05:13 PM
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Nor was it was not pushed through in an all night marathon sitting.
Since the firing was approved by the player reps after extensive meetings I do not see the problem.

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And it was on the agenda well before the conference calls unlike the Kelly coup where a number of reps were unaware of what was happening until they arrived at the meeting.
LMAO! Darren Dreger was well aware of what was going to be discussed. Sorry, not buying that the reps weren't.

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The vote (and quorum) was achieved in accordance with the constitution to establish the committee.
The vote (and quorum) was achieved in accordance with the constitution to fire Kelly.

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10-27-2009, 06:33 PM
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Since the firing was approved by the player reps after extensive meetings I do not see the problem.

LMAO! Darren Dreger was well aware of what was going to be discussed. Sorry, not buying that the reps weren't.

The vote (and quorum) was achieved in accordance with the constitution to fire Kelly.
The players seem to think there was a problem with the manner in which the firing was handled. Hence the review committee.

Dreger found out through a source that Kelly's job could be on the line and called a number of the player reps who had no clue that this was to be a subject at the meeting. A number of them learned of this through Dreger after he broke the story on 27 August 2009 (two days before the meetings were to convene in Chicago). According to Dreger the majority of player reps had no idea this matter was even up for review until after he broke the story.

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ESPN.com asked executive board member Robyn Regehr of the Calgary Flames about the report Thursday and he said he didn't know any of the details. All he knew was he was headed to Chicago for the meeting (the executive board meeting was already scheduled).

Fellow executive board member Chris Chelios, reached via text message, said he had "no idea" when asked about the TSN report.
Removing Kelly via an ambush instead of placing the matter on the agenda may seem correct to you, but it would raise questions for many, including myself.

Thus it appears the decision to file Kelly may not have been achieved in accordance with the constitution. Again that is a reason for the committee.

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10-27-2009, 07:15 PM
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Now it has graduated to "As the Stomach Churns (World Turns)" status...

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Agent Ian (Allan <---Fixed) Walsh launches Twitter-based campaign against Chris Chelios, NHLPA review committee

Player agent Ian (Allan) Walsh is conducting a one-man Twitter campaign against Chelios, insisting that the Toronto Star's report on Penny's circulated anti-Chelios memo (which Lidstrom publicly dismissed) is "proof" that Chelios is running the union, insisting that other agents are conspiring with Chelios, that a "prominent player" wants Chelios to "move on," suggesting that the NHL must "fight for its product and support fans," and he made all these accusations after suggesting that the other player agents "butt out" and let the players resolve the NHLPA's fractures themselves.
http://blog.mlive.com/snapshots/2009...hes_twitt.html

Walsh's Tweets

http://twitter.com/walsha?max_id=520...e=2&twttr=true

OK... here's where I'm getting confused, concerned, and/or dumbfounded. Mike Liut, who's name has been run out there as of late as a favorite to replace Paul Kelly (along with David Feher and others), is with Octagon Athlete Representation. So is Walsh. Walsh wants everyone to "butt out" and handle everything in-house and privately, yet airing laundry on Twitter.

I need to understand why the power house agents have such a rising stake in what's going on... to the point where they're waging their own campaigns "publicly" about what has transpired to date, and going forward.

For example, on one side you have Pat Brisson with Crosby (Excuse yourself from the call, Ian... Thank you) and Rob Blake (one of the 4 Horsemen of the Committee) in CAA's (Agency) stable and on the other you have Walsh (Anti-Chelios) and Octagon, with noted player reps Jeff Halpern (TBL), Scott Hartnell (PHI), etc.

Is this another case of the agents being behind the curtain so to speak?

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10-27-2009, 07:57 PM
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The players seem to think there was a problem with the manner in which the firing was handled. Hence the review committee.
I'm impressed by your use of circular logic.

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Removing Kelly via an ambush instead of placing the matter on the agenda may seem correct to you, but it would raise questions for many, including myself.
22 out of 27.

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10-27-2009, 08:30 PM
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I'm impressed by your use of circular logic.

22 out of 27.
The committee was struck to look into the process under which Kelly was removed given the criticisms- seems point to point logic.

The issue was not the vote per se but the procedure under which the vote was held. Most constitutions provide for proper advance notice of such matters bot an ambush.

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10-27-2009, 09:32 PM
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"Ian, when you r done can you please call me and let me know what you 5 staff members are discussing with each other i would like to know being your guys Emplyer."
This does not raise confidence...

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The committee was struck to look into the process under which Kelly was removed given the criticisms- seems point to point logic.
IMO the process by which Kelly's dismissal was approved doesn't seem much different than the process by which the committee was approved.

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10-27-2009, 10:09 PM
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IMO the process by which Kelly's dismissal was approved doesn't seem much different than the process by which the committee was approved.
Quite different.

Advance notice was given. Everyone knew it was on the agenda.

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10-29-2009, 01:27 AM
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http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=296429

4-man committee updates membership
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''We have come through a period of considerable turmoil and dysfunction within the NHLPA,'' stated the e-mail obtained by TSN.

''It is our goal that everything we do now be focused on strengthening and unifying the Association as we move forward to ensure we are in a strong position to enter collective bargaining and conduct our day to day business with the NHL. This review will be conducted independently of those who have worked at the NHLPA during this embarrassing time for the Association.''

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The owners called their bluff. But all their bluster notwithstanding, I don’t believe the owners were as willing to go multi years with no hockey either, with all the possible disastrous effects to their franchise values that would’ve entailed. Especially as we see how many now are currently struggling with cash requirements of their other business interests. There would have been tremendous leverage coming the players way had they stayed united under Goodenow. But unlike the PA, the owners stood strong and united, enforced by $100,000 fines for speaking, and presented their hand well.
In battle between rich old men (who have a long time horizon and big banks they can borrow from) and young men with short NHL careers--I think the owners have the upper hand. In general, owners have more financial resources to get them through a period with no NHL action and many players are easily separated from their money (Darren McCarty and Sergei Fedorov are just two examples that come to mind).

The only way the NHLPA rebounds is if this four man committee of potential Hall of Famers can act in a united way that rebuilds the trust of the membership. In the long run it could turn out to be a key moment--star level players become involved with the management of their own union and don't leave it up to marginal grinder types. Having Nick Lidstrom as the face of the union is much better than the Rob Ray's of the world--Lidstrom is a serious guy who commands respect among both owners and players. Guys of that caliber simply bring more to the leadership table.

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NHLPA Suspends Operations

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Report - NHLPA Suspends Operations

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The National Hockey League Players Association has suspended operations, according to radio station reports.

Toronto's 680 News and News 1130 in Vancouver are reporting that the association has ceased operations, including suspension of the union's duties and those of interim executive director Ian Penny.
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Honestly, who cares, Im sick of this crap.

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TSNBobMcKenzie Ian Penny has resigned from the PA but believes he was effectively dismissed.

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according to tsn, its just that penny and the nhlpa have parted ways.

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according to tsn, its just that penny and the nhlpa have parted ways.
and he just got a new contract in the past few months right?

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http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=296611
TSN on Penny's departure, upheaval

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and he just got a new contract in the past few months right?
yes and that penny signing was the 1st step of kelly being fired. because kelly thought it went against nhlpa policy (since kelly wasn't in on the signing of the deal). i still say if the nhlpa wants to get any kind of respect back, they need to hire an outsider with no ties to the nhlpa. and start the entire nhlpa over again from the bottom up.

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Is it because Penny has left (and no ED) that the PA has suspended op's until a new ED is found?

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The union cannot just "stop". There are a number of things that happen monthly (and weekly, daily, quarterly, etc.). Even without a "head", there are many tasks that can "continue" on a daily basis with skeleton staff.

It's very unclear what's going on.

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The union cannot just "stop". There are a number of things that happen monthly (and weekly, daily, quarterly, etc.). Even without a "head", there are many tasks that can "continue" on a daily basis with skeleton staff.

It's very unclear what's going on.
Makes sense LS, thank you... 680 Toronto just said a statement released just a short time ago says that they have not suspended operations.

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