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08-28-2009, 07:54 AM
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Shannon is indeed undersized but Kelly is shutdown excellence.
Kelly is good on a PK because he can read the play and he's fast enough to get into passing lanes in a hurry but have you ever seen him throw a body check? He bounces off other players. I think Kelly's reputation as a shutdown player was helped because of Vermette - who could do it all.

I do like Kelly as a player but he's expensive.

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08-28-2009, 08:12 AM
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Setting aside that he's not on our team and likely won't be this year, Penner at center? You do realize he's a winger right, and Cogliano a center.
Since we are already pretending, why not switch some positions around

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08-28-2009, 08:17 AM
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Neil on the 3rd line makes me uneasy. Why not put Shannon or Winchester on 3rd line RW because that way the line's offensive ability isn't completely destroyed.
4th liners don't get paid 2.0, his salary makes him a 3rd liner.

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08-28-2009, 08:31 AM
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Foligno - Spezza - Alfredsson
Heatley - Regin - Kovalev
Kelly - Fisher - Shannon
Ruutu - Winchester - Neil
Donovan/Schubert
This set up gives the Sens two dangerous scoring lines for the 1st time in a long while. The third line would have speed, solid D and some scoring punch. The 4th line would get too many penalties, but would certainly serve their purpose as an energy/agitation trio.

Kuba - Volchenkov
Phillips - Lee
Picard/Karlsson - Campoli
If Karlsson doesn't make it out of camp, then Schubert is your spare on D. Smith must be moved.

Leclaire
Elliott
I'm confident in Elliott if Leclaire isn't up to the task and this tandem has potential, but still could be an area that ends up hurting the Sens. Ultimately their performance will determine if the Sens are at the top of the conference or in one of the last playoff spots.

1st unit PP
Heatley Spezza Kovalev
Karlsson Alfie
This unit would be the best in the NHL. Heatley waiting on the one timer and Kovalev working off the opposite half boards would be simply devastating. IMO this is where we'll feel the most postive impact of the Kovalev signing.

2nd unit PP
Foligno Regin Shannon
Kuba Lee
Not ideal, but still enough punch to pot some goals with Foligno camped out in front.

1st unit PK
Kelly Shannon
Kuba Volchenkov

2nd unit PK
Fisher Winchester/Ruttu
Phillips Lee
I'd like to see the Sens lessen the load on Alfie by taking most of his short handed time away. Ruutu could replace Winchester. They could use some combination of Spezza/Alfie/Kovalev/Heatley to end the PK depending on which line is up next.


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08-28-2009, 08:41 AM
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4th liners don't get paid 2.0, his salary makes him a 3rd liner.
Ugh, don't remind me.

In terms of Neil's effectiveness, I see that being maximized if he plays on the 4th line with Ruutu and Bass, fights whenever it is needed, and hits like he did in the '07 Cup run.

Despite being paid one quarter of Neil's salary, Jesse Winchester at least has the ability to create some offense and play a shutdown role - Neil's offense is mediocre and he can't play a shutdown role to save his life.

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08-28-2009, 08:59 AM
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With the team as it stands now, if I were Clouston I'd go with:

Heatley-Spezza-Alfredsson
Foligno-Fisher-Kovalev
Regin-Kelly-Shannon
Ruutu-Winchester-Neil

Phillips-Volchenkov
Kuba-Karlsson
Campoli-Lee
Picard

Leclaire
Elliott

(Donovan, Schubert and Smith waived/moved)

That being said, I think Heatley is moved before camp to San Jose, and the team looks like:

Michalek-Spezza-Alfredsson
Foligno-Fisher-Kovalev
Regin-Kelly-Shannon
Ruutu-Winchester-Shannon

Phillips-Volchenkov
Kuba-Ehrhoff
Campoli-Lee

Leclaire
Elliott


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08-29-2009, 03:07 PM
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With the team as it stands now, if I were Clouston I'd go with:

Heatley-Spezza-Alfredsson
Foligno-Fisher-Kovalev
Regin-Kelly-Shannon
Ruutu-Winchester-Neil

Phillips-Volchenkov
Kuba-Karlsson
Campoli-Lee
Picard

Leclaire
Elliott

(Donovan, Schubert and Smith waived/moved)

That being said, I think Heatley is moved before camp to San Jose, and the team looks like:

Michalek-Spezza-Alfredsson
Foligno-Fisher-Kovalev
Regin-Kelly-Shannon
Ruutu-Winchester-Shannon

Phillips-Volchenkov
Kuba-Ehrhoff
Campoli-Lee

Leclaire
Elliott

Looks like you'll have to revamp the return from SJ

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08-29-2009, 03:40 PM
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Also looks like Shannon's busy

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08-29-2009, 03:42 PM
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Also looks like Shannon's busy
He's been training extra hard in order to double shift all season long.

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08-30-2009, 10:16 AM
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This line up is going to be deadly. (Thanks The Theo Huxtable)

Heatley-Spezza-Alfredsson
Foligno-Fisher-Kovalev
Regin-Kelly-Shannon
Ruutu-Winchester-Neil

Phillips-Volchenkov
Kuba-Karlsson
Campoli-Lee
Picard

Leclaire
Elliott

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08-30-2009, 11:11 AM
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Couple of random thoughts here:

1 can shannon play either wing? I think he would be a nice experiment with Kovalev as Shannon has a high hockey I.Q. and i could see his style meshing with kovalev's.

2. Is there any way that Fisher could play with Ruutu and Neil? i say that because Fisher seems to score roughly the same no matter who his linemates are, and his style doesn't really fit with kovalev. Plus those three would be super hard to play against and we could roll four lines and still get offense from all of them.

Not saying it could or should happen just saying it might make some sense.

Heatley-Spezz-Alfie

Shannon-Regin-Kovalev

Foligno-Kelly-Winch

Ruutu-Fish-Neil


I'm not in love with Regin as a number 2 center but just throwing that out there for conversation.


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08-30-2009, 11:52 AM
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Fisher is making too much money to be playing in the 4th line, I think it was $4.2million.

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08-30-2009, 01:53 PM
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Fisher is making too much money to be playing in the 4th line, I think it was $4.2million.
well the idea was that we would then roll four lines pretty evenly, like we used to do, so Fisher would still get more ice than a normal 4th liner.(PP and PK)

Here's another thing i don't understand, why does what he make determine who his linemates are? Nobody says "well shannon makes 600k so there is no way he can play with Kovalev"
Fisher with Ruutu and Neil makes some sense to me because Fisher has often been thought of as a player that offensively does inot use his teammates well. So if that's the case (he doesn't need or use his teammates for offense) then why not put him with two in your face players that have offensive deficiencies, he'll likely score his 18-20 goals anyway.


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08-30-2009, 02:34 PM
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Heatley Spezza Alfie (this is the Pizza line!)

Foligno Fisher Kovalev (can Foligno score 20? Can Fisher return to form 20-25 goals ?)

Kelly Regin Shannon (can Regin even make the team ?)

Ruutu Winchester Neil (Potentially pretty decent 4th line)
Donovan

Philips Volchenkov (I personally think Philips is our best 'D')
Kuba Lee (Which Lee will show up?)
Campoli Picard ( these two leave me uneasy...)

Leclaire (Will he get injured again ? How good is he -really)
Elliot (is he ready for the pressure ?)

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08-30-2009, 03:05 PM
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Foligno-Spezza-Alfie
Callahan-Fisher-Kovalev
Ruutu-Kelly-Neil
Smith-Winchester-Shannon
Donovan

Phillips-Rozsival
Kuba-Volchenkov
Campoli-Smith
Karlsson

Leclaire
Elliott

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08-30-2009, 03:45 PM
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Foligno-Spezza-Alfie
Callahan-Fisher-Kovalev
Ruutu-Kelly-Neil
Smith-Winchester-Shannon
Donovan

Phillips-Rozsival
Kuba-Volchenkov
Campoli-Smith
Karlsson

Leclaire
Elliott
If Sather doesn't want to part with Dubinsky, I don't see why he would deal Callahan. Besides, Murray seems insistent on bringing in a centre for Heatley for some obscure reason.

Also where is Lee?

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08-30-2009, 03:59 PM
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4th liners don't get paid 2.0, his salary makes him a 3rd liner.
Wasn't Tie Domi a very expensive 4th line goon when he received a million dollar contract which was more than anyone thought he would get at the time? He received that contract not only for what he did on the ice but what he did off the ice with all his charity work. In that blue collar market Toronto fans loved Domi because he had heart, because he took on all comers & because he was so generous with his time off the ice.

These are the intangibles that NHL managers discuss when resigning players, there value on & off the ice. Can they put bums in the seats & Domi did & Neil does. Heatley's value for example off the ice has plummeted over the summer. The biggest problem Neil has in this town is that there are too many white collar workers & tree huggers who don't like fighting, I guess they would be happy if we had a team full of Lady Bing players. Neil's contract will not determine where he plays or how much ice time he gets, how he plays will.

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08-30-2009, 04:08 PM
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If Sather doesn't want to part with Dubinsky, I don't see why he would deal Callahan. Besides, Murray seems insistent on bringing in a centre for Heatley for some obscure reason.

Also where is Lee?
Not so obscure ... we don't really have a true number two centre. A number one in Spezza and number threes in Kelly & Fisher (salary doesn't make you a number two) and Winchester/Zack Smith/Cody Bass as 3/4's

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If Sather doesn't want to part with Dubinsky, I don't see why he would deal Callahan. Besides, Murray seems insistent on bringing in a centre for Heatley for some obscure reason.

Also where is Lee?
New York can't trade Dubinsky because they don't have any other centers. They have tons of wingers and can afford to part with Callahan.

Lee is in Binghamton.

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08-30-2009, 05:42 PM
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New York can't trade Dubinsky because they don't have any other centers. They have tons of wingers and can afford to part with Callahan.

Lee is in Binghamton.
If they trade Dubinsky + Roszival + Del Zotto for Heatley:

Drury
Prospal
Anisimov
Arnason

For centers, solid group of guys

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Prospal and Arnason are pretty much **** and Anisimov is a rookie. That is an awful group of centers.

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I want to see the Heatley-Spezza-Kovalev line and then go from there. If it works then we could call them the butterfly line, because they are all floaters.

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I want to see the Heatley-Spezza-Kovalev line and then go from there. If it works then we could call them the butterfly line, because they are all floaters.
i might be wrong, but i can't see those guys together unless it's on the PP, or the last minutes of a game we're losing. Although they would fantastic offensively, they would be just as horrible in their own end. Just my opinion, but don't underestimate how much work Alfie does for the other two.

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Heatley-Spezza-Kovalev
Foligno-Fisher-Alfredsson
Kelly-Regin-Shannon
Ruutu-Winchester-Neil
Donovan/Bass

Kuba-Volchenkov
Phillips-Lee
Campoli-Picard
Schubert

GERBER
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Heatley - Spezza - Kovalev
Foligno - Fisher - Alfredsson
Shannon - Kelly - Neil
Ruutu - Winchester - Donovan
(Regin main call up)

Kuba - Lee
Volchenkov - Phillips
Campol - Picard
Schubert

Ideally Smith is broken.

That would be fine.
This.
Although those top two defensive pairings are pretty much 1-a & 1-b.

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