HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Western Conference > Pacific Division > Vancouver Canucks
Notices

White/Rahimi to SJS for Lukowich/Ehrhoff

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
08-29-2009, 10:20 AM
  #601
Rey
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 1,105
vCash: 500
I like this deal. Make sense.


San Jose obviously saw the potential in Patrick White that was worth giving up a young top 4 defense man in a Ehrhoff. This is a immediate impact. Patrick White will be a good player San Jose in 2-3 years with more opportunity than he'd get in Vancouver with Henrik, Kesler, Hodgson down the middle.


Daniel Rahimi will likely never be a NHL regular. He's too slow, at best a 5/6 defense man. Brad Lukowich isn't that great of a defense man but he doesn't take stupid penalties like Bieksa and O'Brien.




Those who say it's purely just San Jose's cap dump to get marginal prospects are incorrect. Ehrhoff does have a lot of value, for those who think White is a bust. Need to think again. There are several of teams willing to sacrifice picks and prospects, even roster players for Ehrhoof. It was no coincidence that they just decided to take White and Rahimi.

Rey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-29-2009, 10:24 AM
  #602
Rey
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 1,105
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wetcoaster View Post
It does not sound like it if you listen to Dave Gagner:

http://www.team1040.ca/news/story/?id=2249

Sounds like White was on the outside looking in.

It doesn't sound like White was out of the plans at all. He commented on Grabner, Hodgson, Schneider, and White.


You'd have to give him a piece of humble pie for him to say good things about all the players. Obviously, White still has to develop while the other 3 could all be NHL ready. This is common sense.

Rey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-29-2009, 10:26 AM
  #603
Rey
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 1,105
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Meganuck View Post
Rey, is that you? White and Potential. Really?
Seriously?

Because people watch Patrick White play, their opinions are voided by people who only look at stats/never seen him play?

How ironic, eh?

Rey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-29-2009, 10:27 AM
  #604
Dolemite
The one...the only..
 
Dolemite's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Country: Netherlands
Posts: 36,898
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild GM View Post
Yes. They still have 3-4 spots to fill before the season, which leaves no room for Heatley.
Posted this in the Trades/rumors forum:

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=676243

__________________
http://thenhlhotlist.azvibe.com/
Follow along on Twitter: http://twitter.com/azvibesports
Dolemite is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-29-2009, 10:29 AM
  #605
19nazzy
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 17,172
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wetcoaster View Post
You have to figure if someone had actually proposed this deal he/she would have been laughed at mercilessly.
I think the Canucks alone have proven that any trade is possible and that most of the users on here have no idea what will/won't be accepted.

The Luongo trade? Wouldn't have thought for a million years that would've gone through.

19nazzy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-29-2009, 10:31 AM
  #606
dhabums*
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 3,028
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rey View Post
Seriously?

Because people watch Patrick White play, their opinions are voided by people who only look at stats/never seen him play?

How ironic, eh?
You should venture over to the wild.com forum, it's full of goofs fans. You'll have to search hard for any "White has potential" people. His "fans" are few and far between. Luckily we don't have to care anymore.

dhabums* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-29-2009, 10:38 AM
  #607
pitseleh
Registered User
 
pitseleh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Vancouver
Country: Canada
Posts: 17,573
vCash: 500
Caught this report about White on the Sharks board, from X-SHARKIE:

Quote:
"I'm not a fan of his at all, had my GM asked me if I would trade for this guy I would've said no," says an Eastern Conference NHL scout based out of Minnesota, who agreed to share his off the record report on White in return for remaining anonymous. "He's a soft player, he doesn't compete, and he looks scared to upset anyone because he might have to battle them for the puck. He looks like he should be a player. He has some size and skills, a really great shot, but he doesn't compete and doesn't win battles. I also can't believe the Sharks traded that Bonino kid, the kid's a stud!"
http://www.sharkspage.com/2009_08_01...59362975634434

pitseleh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-29-2009, 10:38 AM
  #608
Rey
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 1,105
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by dhabums View Post
You should venture over to the wild.com forum, it's full of goofs fans. You'll have to search hard for any "White has potential" people. His "fans" are few and far between. Luckily we don't have to care anymore.

Why exactly would Minnesota Wild care about Patrick White? They were all over him during his draft year but why now? He's not they're property. You won't see anything about Schroeder anymore either.

Rey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-29-2009, 10:41 AM
  #609
Rey
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 1,105
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by pitseleh View Post
Caught this report about White on the Sharks board, from X-SHARKIE:



http://www.sharkspage.com/2009_08_01...59362975634434

Anyone who follows hockey prospects or Patrick White knows that it takes a couple years for physicality to be developed. Especially in a league full of men.


That was the sole reason why White was considered a "project".

Rey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-29-2009, 10:45 AM
  #610
Rey
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 1,105
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by dhabums View Post
You should venture over to the wild.com forum, it's full of goofs fans. You'll have to search hard for any "White has potential" people. His "fans" are few and far between. Luckily we don't have to care anymore.

BTW - our bet is still on.

I don't want you to make an excuse next year even though White isn't Canucks property.

Rey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-29-2009, 10:52 AM
  #611
Finkle is Einhorn
Registered User
 
Finkle is Einhorn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 11,460
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rey View Post
BTW - our bet is still on.

I don't want you to make an excuse next year even though White isn't Canucks property.
Wanna bet something that White doesn't end up a Ryan Clowe type, like you told the Sharks' board that he would?

Finkle is Einhorn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-29-2009, 11:12 AM
  #612
Wetcoaster
Registered User
 
Wetcoaster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Out There
Posts: 53,426
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bizz06 View Post
Don't get too high on Ehrhoff, you'll only be disappointed.
Canucks fans were already badly disappointed in White and Rahimi.

At least Ehrhoff and Lukowich have proved capable of playing in the NHL.

Wetcoaster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-29-2009, 11:16 AM
  #613
Wetcoaster
Registered User
 
Wetcoaster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Out There
Posts: 53,426
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rey View Post
I like this deal. Make sense.

San Jose obviously saw the potential in Patrick White that was worth giving up a young top 4 defense man in a Ehrhoff. This is a immediate impact. Patrick White will be a good player San Jose in 2-3 years with more opportunity than he'd get in Vancouver with Henrik, Kesler, Hodgson down the middle.

Daniel Rahimi will likely never be a NHL regular. He's too slow, at best a 5/6 defense man. Brad Lukowich isn't that great of a defense man but he doesn't take stupid penalties like Bieksa and O'Brien.

Those who say it's purely just San Jose's cap dump to get marginal prospects are incorrect. Ehrhoff does have a lot of value, for those who think White is a bust. Need to think again. There are several of teams willing to sacrifice picks and prospects, even roster players for Ehrhoof. It was no coincidence that they just decided to take White and Rahimi.
It was a salary dump pure and simple. At this point White is a bust and is unlikely to unbust.

White gives the Sharks a second round compensatory pick.

Wetcoaster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-29-2009, 11:21 AM
  #614
tantalum
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Missouri
Posts: 9,888
vCash: 500
White has not developed as you would expect a first round pick to develop. His coach has said that and the canucks have said that. Not to say he can't develop into a player because of course he still can. However, right now he doesn't seem to be on a path that ends with a NHL career. To get on that path he has to make some significant strides this year. To get on a path where he becomes somewhat of an impact player in the NHL he's going to have to make positively huge strides the next year or two.

At this point White is more likely a guy that gets passed on a depth chart rather than a guy who does the passing. Though at least for White the Sharks are lacking centerice prospects at this time.

tantalum is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-29-2009, 11:21 AM
  #615
Wetcoaster
Registered User
 
Wetcoaster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Out There
Posts: 53,426
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rey View Post
It doesn't sound like White was out of the plans at all. He commented on Grabner, Hodgson, Schneider, and White.


You'd have to give him a piece of humble pie for him to say good things about all the players. Obviously, White still has to develop while the other 3 could all be NHL ready. This is common sense.
That was about as close to trashing one of your prospects as you are going to see.

Believe what you wish but the writing was clearly on the wall for Patrick White as a Canucks' prospect - he was in fact a suspect.

White still has to develop to become a better than average NCAA player.

Just applying common sense.

Wetcoaster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-29-2009, 11:22 AM
  #616
Bobby Lou
We Surrender
 
Bobby Lou's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: The Crease
Country: Canada
Posts: 15,168
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rey View Post
Anyone who follows hockey prospects or Patrick White knows that it takes a couple years for physicality to be developed. Especially in a league full of men.


That was the sole reason why White was considered a "project".
From what I'm reading in these scouting reports the problems have absolutely nothing to do with his physical package; apparently he has a pro-level shot, and size already plus he's very skilled. The kid has mental issues - the way it's quoted almost sounds like a polite way to say he's a wimp, and a total push-over with limited competitive drive.

Those things don't just develop.

Bobby Lou is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-29-2009, 11:22 AM
  #617
Wetcoaster
Registered User
 
Wetcoaster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Out There
Posts: 53,426
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by 19nazzy View Post
I think the Canucks alone have proven that any trade is possible and that most of the users on here have no idea what will/won't be accepted.

The Luongo trade? Wouldn't have thought for a million years that would've gone through.
However this trade is on a whole other WOW level.

Wetcoaster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-29-2009, 11:24 AM
  #618
Wetcoaster
Registered User
 
Wetcoaster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Out There
Posts: 53,426
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rey View Post
Why exactly would Minnesota Wild care about Patrick White? They were all over him during his draft year but why now? He's not they're property. You won't see anything about Schroeder anymore either.
Maybe because they are in a position to watch him play regularly?

Wetcoaster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-29-2009, 11:26 AM
  #619
Wetcoaster
Registered User
 
Wetcoaster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Out There
Posts: 53,426
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rey View Post
Anyone who follows hockey prospects or Patrick White knows that it takes a couple years for physicality to be developed. Especially in a league full of men.


That was the sole reason why White was considered a "project".
The assessment had nothing to do with physical development. It was all about heart, desire and the drive to compete - the same things that Dave Gagner identified as lacking in White.

Wetcoaster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-29-2009, 11:30 AM
  #620
Wetcoaster
Registered User
 
Wetcoaster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Out There
Posts: 53,426
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by tantalum View Post
White has not developed as you would expect a first round pick to develop. His coach has said that and the canucks have said that. Not to say he can't develop into a player because of course he still can. However, right now he doesn't seem to be on a path that ends with a NHL career. To get on that path he has to make some significant strides this year. To get on a path where he becomes somewhat of an impact player in the NHL he's going to have to make positively huge strides the next year or two.

At this point White is more likely a guy that gets passed on a depth chart rather than a guy who does the passing. Though at least for White the Sharks are lacking centerice prospects at this time.
The evolution of Patrick White:

Draft Pick > Prospect > Suspect > Compensatory Pick

Wetcoaster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-29-2009, 11:33 AM
  #621
fdevji
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 69
vCash: 500
LINK: http://fdevji.blogspot.com/2009/08/p...-to-trade.html

Quote:
I was able to catch up with Patrick White briefly earlier today, after he was traded to the San Jose Sharks along with Daniel Rahimi in exchange for Christian Ehrhoff and Brad Lukowich. Here's some of his reaction to the trade:

1. Were you surprised when you heard about the move?
White: Yeah I was. I talked to Dave Gagner today before he even knew about it so I was under the impression things were normal. I think it should be good for me and good for Vancouver though.

2. I know the Vancouver fans and media were pretty hard on you over the last few years.
White: I can't blame anyone for that; that's the life of hockey. Even when you play good sometimes you don't get credit.

3. How did you hear the news? Did Gillis call?
White: Yeah, he called but I missed it and so my adviser was the first to let me know. Gillis is tough to get back to; he’s a busy man.

4. Have you talked to Jordan Schroeder at all?
White: No I haven't. I'll probably see him tomorrow though.

5. Thanks a lot, Patrick. Good luck next season and in the future with the Sharks organization.
White: Thanks. I will always be a Canucks draft pick.

fdevji is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-29-2009, 11:40 AM
  #622
Peter Griffin
Registered User
 
Peter Griffin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Country: Canada
Posts: 26,390
vCash: 500
"White: Thanks. I will always be a Canucks draft pick."

That's kind of an odd thing to say.

Peter Griffin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-29-2009, 11:42 AM
  #623
Wetcoaster
Registered User
 
Wetcoaster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Out There
Posts: 53,426
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Griffin View Post
"White: Thanks. I will always be a Canucks draft pick."

That's kind of an odd thing to say.
And therein lies the problem with White.

Wetcoaster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-29-2009, 11:44 AM
  #624
NFITO
hockeyinsanity*****
 
NFITO's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Country: Canada
Posts: 27,802
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by fdevji View Post
Quote:
5. Thanks a lot, Patrick. Good luck next season and in the future with the Sharks organization.
White: Thanks. I will always be a Canucks draft pick.


nice parting shot at the Canucks.

NFITO is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
08-29-2009, 11:45 AM
  #625
fdevji
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 69
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Griffin View Post
"White: Thanks. I will always be a Canucks draft pick."

That's kind of an odd thing to say.
To me, it sounded like he was trying to convey that although he thinks the trade will be good for him, he won't forget Vancouver because that's where he began his journey.

I don't see a problem with it.

fdevji is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:43 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2014 All Rights Reserved.