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08-28-2009, 02:17 PM
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Salary dump. Heatly to SJ. I mean, right?
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Doug Wilson understands that the cap means you have to lose on deals sometimes.

Heatley to SJ is a mortal lock now.
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Way to go Vancouver,

Now Thornton is going to setting up Heatley and destroying the Western Conference.
okay, now sj has the cap space to pick up heatley. but who are they going to trade for him now that they've given away ehrhoff? it was going to be a package of ehrhoff, cheechoo, and prospects/picks. now what? ottawa will want at least two quality roster players, preferably a young defenseman, and sj aren't going to want to give up vlasic. will michalek, clowe, or even pavelski have to be part of the deal now? does ottawa even want marleau and his cap hit? thornton and heatley may very well end up scoring 5 million points together, but i can see them turning into a one line team, like ottawa was.

but what a deal for vancouver. park luko in manitoba or give him away. and probably swap bernier for futures. i hate to see him go, as he adds valuable size and grit, but he has the biggest contract of expendable players at the wing, and if injuries hit, there is still grabner and shirokov to call up.

EDIT: or, best case scenario, we package a few 2nd/3rd line tweener pieces like bernier, raymond, and welly for a cheap bona fide 1st/2nd line scorer. very unlikely, but i can dream. come on LA, you know you want our spare parts for frolov.


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With Schneider now signed I'm guessing it will be Lukowitch to the Moose and Demetra moved for whatever he brings. Works for me.
Don't need to trade Demitra.

Putting Lukowich, Rome, and Nycholat in the minors puts the team to about 1 mill over the cap (if schneider signed for 1.5) and then if Hodgson makes the team Wellwood can be traded/waived or Hodgson gets sent down putting the Canucks under the cap.

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I hope Gillis has a plan to get us under the cap.
GEE DO U THINK??

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It is a little alarming that Ehrhoff was the only regular defender on SJ who was a minus for the season last year. And not a little minus, either: -12.
Though Ehrhoff has never been a minus player before this year, and Dan Boyle was only +5. He can't be worse than Bieksa, whose plus/minus career high is +1 and is a -15 for his career.

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Awesome deal for Van. Very interested to see our defence this season.

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Hahahahahahaahahahahaha ... What?

I mean Lukowich and Ehrhoff are alright/decent, nothing great... But White is worthless and Rahimi is kind of worthless.

SJ got owned. Hard.
This was obviously a salary dump.

San Jose's trying to clear room for Heatley I bet ...

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Demitra + Bieksa

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Heatley!!

Anyone!? Anyone!?


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08-28-2009, 02:19 PM
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Fack, moving Bieksa just makes sense now. We've got his offense covered, and SOB makes up for the toughness. Plus we can probably get a really good top-six forward on a cheap deal for Juice. I hate losing Bieksa though.
But he's the only toughness in the d-corps that can play 20+ minutes. Salo, or even Mitchell if they make it clear they won't be extending him makes more sense to me. Gillis said he won't ask someone to waive their NTC, but it doesn't mean he won't put a player in a situation that they want to leave and ask to be moved.

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great trade for you guys! Ehroff is great.

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How long is Demitra out? Is there enough cap relief with him on the LTIR?

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Anyone else realize that San Jose also needed to dump salary JUST to be able to get under the cap.

Great move for us anyways to be able to pick up an asset like Ehrhoff.

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Demitra + Bieksa

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Heatley!!

Anyone!? Anyone!?

Ottawa wanted Erhoff didn't they....Erhoff and Demo Probably better than Erhoff and Cheechoo.

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08-28-2009, 02:23 PM
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good trade. but why do so many people want to waive/buy out etc Demitra? yes he is soft and I don't really like him as a player, but this team still has a weak top 6 at forward. Even if they get a good forward in a future trade involving a defenceman, they still would likely need demitra's offence.

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Now who went ahead and told Shark fans that White is projected to be a Cogliano-type with a better shot? That's just cruel...

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Demitra, Salo, Grabner and Wellwood for Heatley

Only important piece is really Grabner.

Sign Sundin 1.5

Heatley - Sundin - Kesler
Sedin - Sedin - Samuelsson
Burrows - Hodgson/Raymond - Bernier
Hansen - Johnson - Rypien/Hordichuk

Mitchell - Bieksa
Ehrhoff - Edler
O'Brien - Schneider
Lukowich or other

Luongo
Schneider


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Listening to the radio on the way back from the gym I haerd Blake Price mention that the Canucks had picked up some D-men but he didn't mention who. My first thoughts were "Christ I hope we didn't do something stupid like trade for Jones or sign Bergeron". Then I get home and read this. Unbelievable. Gilles absolutely FLEECED the Sharks.

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It is a little alarming that Ehrhoff was the only regular defender on SJ who was a minus for the season last year. And not a little minus, either: -12.
And in spite of this, the SJ coaching staff gave him more ice time than any other shark defenseman in the playoffs. Last seasons +/- is much ado about nothing IMO.

Shocking deal all things considered...Wilson must be feeling the heat and is about to swing hard for the fences

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It is a little alarming that Ehrhoff was the only regular defender on SJ who was a minus for the season last year. And not a little minus, either: -12.
Ehrhoff was a bit of a victim of the percentages this season - San Jose's even strength save percentage on the season was .924 but only .903 when Ehrhoff was on the ice. Shot quality wouldn't explain that big of a difference.

That said, he's still not a strong even strength player, but I don't think he's any worse than a guy like Bieksa.

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Out of curiosity... Does anyone know the EA NHL 2009 Player ratings for Ehrhoff, White and Rahimi? Only then can we judge this to be a lopsided trade.

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Can somebody do a cap analysis?

Are we over or what?

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AUTO-GENERATED CAPGEEK.COM LINES
FORWARDS
Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Pavol Demitra ($4.000m)
Mikael Samuelsson ($2.500m) / Alexandre Burrows ($2.000m) / Steve Bernier ($2.000m)
Ryan Kesler ($1.750m) / Cody Hodgson ($1.696m) / Kyle Wellwood ($1.200m)
Ryan Johnson ($1.100m) / Mason Raymond ($0.883m) / Darcy Hordichuk ($0.775m)
Jannik Hansen ($0.550m) / Rick Rypien ($0.550m)
DEFENSEMEN
Kevin Bieksa ($3.750m) / Sami Salo ($3.500m)
Willie Mitchell ($3.500m) / Alexander Edler ($3.250m)
* Ehrhoff ($3.100m) / Shane O'Brien ($1.600m)
* Lukowich ($1.567m) / * Schneider ($1.550m)
GOALTENDERS
Roberto Luongo ($6.750m) / Andrew Raycroft ($0.500m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
ROSTER: 24; PAYROLL: $60.271m; CAP ROOM: $-2.531m BONUSES: $0.940m

You trade Demitra for a pick and we've got a little over 1.4 million in cap space on a 23 man roster

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08-28-2009, 02:26 PM
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Haha which of you has anything bad to say about Gillis now?

He's seriously the best GM in the league folks, I don't give a damn what anyone says. I've been a huge fan since day one and he just slammed another home run.

(and we kept Hansen who I was seriously worried was gone when I first saw these headlines)

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08-28-2009, 02:27 PM
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Just wanted to point out (shout out to parabola) that I had previosly started two threads on this board about the possibility of acquiring Erhoff. One proposal was for Hansen straight across and was laughed at unmercifully I don't know guys...maybe you give Peter too much of a hard time

nuckfaninTO wrote a while ago in one of those threads:

I'm not a big fan of Ehrhoff... especially not at his salary.

He is a good offensive dman, but makes way too many mistakes... can't see that fitting in too well on the Canucks.

He was also a -12 last year, on a very good Sharks team... that was the worst +/- on the team (Moen was -18, but was only a -1 as a Shark).... at -12, he was also the only minus regular on their defense (with Blake and Vlasic leading the way with a +15).

That's a huge discrepancy among players on the same team.

Personally, instead of locking up $3.1mill on a dman like Ehrhoff - while giving up assets to get him, I'd rather spend that type of money on Seidenberg... or Morris in FA.


Just wondering if you are still feeling the same way??? Thanks.

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