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08-28-2009, 03:28 PM
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I'd be scared if I were Shane O'Brien

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Now who went ahead and told Shark fans that White is projected to be a Cogliano-type with a better shot? That's just cruel...
Hahahaha I would like to know who said that too.

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Demitra + Bieksa

for

Heatley!!

Anyone!? Anyone!?

was also thinking somthing along that lines .
MG has somthing else on the go,,im sure of it.

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Erhoff is a good PP guy...Vancouver has a lot of defensive dmen so it's nice to see that they got a PP quarterback. San Jose is obviously up to something, giving up some of their experienced guys for youth is normally not what a "Cup contender" does.

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AUTO-GENERATED CAPGEEK.COM LINES
FORWARDS
Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Pavol Demitra ($4.000m)
Mikael Samuelsson ($2.500m) / Alexandre Burrows ($2.000m) / Steve Bernier ($2.000m)
Ryan Kesler ($1.750m) / Cody Hodgson ($1.696m) / Kyle Wellwood ($1.200m)
Ryan Johnson ($1.100m) / Mason Raymond ($0.883m) / Darcy Hordichuk ($0.775m)
Jannik Hansen ($0.550m) / Rick Rypien ($0.550m)
DEFENSEMEN
Kevin Bieksa ($3.750m) / Sami Salo ($3.500m)
Willie Mitchell ($3.500m) / Alexander Edler ($3.250m)
* Ehrhoff ($3.100m) / Shane O'Brien ($1.600m)
* Lukowich ($1.567m) / * Schneider ($1.550m)
GOALTENDERS
Roberto Luongo ($6.750m) / Andrew Raycroft ($0.500m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
ROSTER: 24; PAYROLL: $60.271m; CAP ROOM: $-2.531m BONUSES: $0.940m

You trade Demitra for a pick and we've got a little over 1.4 million in cap space on a 23 man roster
Sending Lukowich down, and running with 13 Forwards would also get the job done. Neither Raymond or Hodgson will likely reach their bonuses anyway.

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08-28-2009, 03:31 PM
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Ehrhoff was a bit of a victim of the percentages this season - San Jose's even strength save percentage on the season was .924 but only .903 when Ehrhoff was on the ice. Shot quality wouldn't explain that big of a difference.

That said, he's still not a strong even strength player, but I don't think he's any worse than a guy like Bieksa.
Weird.

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Will Erhoff where #10?

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Just wanted to point out (shout out to parabola) that I had previosly started two threads on this board about the possibility of acquiring Erhoff. One proposal was for Hansen straight across and was laughed at unmercifully I don't know guys...maybe you give Peter too much of a hard time

nuckfaninTO wrote a while ago in one of those threads:

I'm not a big fan of Ehrhoff... especially not at his salary.

He is a good offensive dman, but makes way too many mistakes... can't see that fitting in too well on the Canucks.

He was also a -12 last year, on a very good Sharks team... that was the worst +/- on the team (Moen was -18, but was only a -1 as a Shark).... at -12, he was also the only minus regular on their defense (with Blake and Vlasic leading the way with a +15).

That's a huge discrepancy among players on the same team.

Personally, instead of locking up $3.1mill on a dman like Ehrhoff - while giving up assets to get him, I'd rather spend that type of money on Seidenberg... or Morris in FA.


Just wondering if you are still feeling the same way??? Thanks.
Aren't you the guy with the worst trade proposals around there?

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08-28-2009, 03:31 PM
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Gillis is a *** god. This trade is an absolute **** job. In a couple days I've gone from worried about our defense to absolutely THRILLED. Like what the hell? O'Brien is #7 now? Lukowich #8?

That is some AWESOME depth. I'm just...Shocked San Jose was so dumb. Ehrhoff is a ****ing steal.

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08-28-2009, 03:32 PM
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Ehrhoff was a bit of a victim of the percentages this season - San Jose's even strength save percentage on the season was .924 but only .903 when Ehrhoff was on the ice. Shot quality wouldn't explain that big of a difference.

That said, he's still not a strong even strength player, but I don't think he's any worse than a guy like Bieksa.
This was his only season with a negative plus/minus. Bieksa only has one season with a positive plus/minus, and that was a +1. Bieksa is also a career -15.

...and according to some, Ohlund was awful defensively, yet still managed to be +14 this year.

I have to agree with you, I don't think he's horrible, but not anything special on defense.

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Just wanted to point out (shout out to parabola) that I had previosly started two threads on this board about the possibility of acquiring Erhoff. One proposal was for Hansen straight across and was laughed at unmercifully I don't know guys...maybe you give Peter too much of a hard time

nuckfaninTO wrote a while ago in one of those threads:

I'm not a big fan of Ehrhoff... especially not at his salary.

He is a good offensive dman, but makes way too many mistakes... can't see that fitting in too well on the Canucks.

He was also a -12 last year, on a very good Sharks team... that was the worst +/- on the team (Moen was -18, but was only a -1 as a Shark).... at -12, he was also the only minus regular on their defense (with Blake and Vlasic leading the way with a +15).

That's a huge discrepancy among players on the same team.

Personally, instead of locking up $3.1mill on a dman like Ehrhoff - while giving up assets to get him, I'd rather spend that type of money on Seidenberg... or Morris in FA.


Just wondering if you are still feeling the same way??? Thanks.
A blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while Peter :p

Nobody imagined White for Ehrhoff would ever happen ...

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08-28-2009, 03:34 PM
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Pat White is still predicted to develop into a Shawn Horcoff or Andrew Cogliano player and Daniel Rahimi could develop into a good 3-4 d-man--this could be a deal that bites the nucks in the ass in in a few years
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Hahahaha I would like to know who said that too.
There you go.

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08-28-2009, 03:35 PM
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Me thinks one of Bieksa, Salo or O'Brien may be traded.

Demitra, as mentioned, could be moved IF another cheaper forward is coming back.

C. Schneider plus any combination of the above names (and/or Raymond, Wellwood, Hansen, Hordichuck) could be a nice package that may possibly land us that top 6 forward that we need for additional scoring.

Gillis is obviously not done.

I was not a fan of just getting M. Schneider on defence but his signing IN ADDITION to Erhoff being added...well...that makes more sense to me now.

San Jose most definetly jump to the top of the Heatley trade front...but don't discount on Anton Babchuk being traded to SJ either...for Rahimi and pick...to help round out their defensive core.

By the way, as in another thread, I am predicting a Marelau for Heatley deal (with other parts being included on both sides).

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08-28-2009, 03:36 PM
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one thing nobody has mentioned yet (to my knowledge) is that MG added two players with cup rings today. which brings our grand total to three rings in the room, all acquired this offseason.

even though lukowich will likely spend the season in winnipeg, he will be called up for leadership, experience, and depth for the playoffs, and i think that will be $1.5 million (of someone else's money) well spent.

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What a trade.

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This is the type of trade that makes HF look hilarious in hindsight.

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I'll copy what I posted on the main thread...

People say we should dump SOB... but he only makes 1.5, and as of these moves we are approximately $2.6 Million over the cap. You have to assume that either:

a) The Canucks buy-out/waive/demote-deal Lukowich (1.6) AND a guy like Kyle Wellwood (1.2), as I have to anticipate Gillis will want 7 NHL calibre d-men in case of injuries (Edler, Salo, Bieksa, Ehrhoff, Mitchell, Schneider, O'Brien), especially with two of them being made of glass

b) Pavol Demitra's bags are in the process of being packed.

Either way, I absolutely love these moves, regardless of how they end up being consolidated. Ehrhoff is young (26), had 42 Points (including 5 PPG) last season, and is ABSOLUTELY the puck-mover we have been craving. Mathieu Schneider, though aging and with injury questions abound, had 17 Pts in 23 GP with the Habs last year, and can still contribute a booming point shot and a steadying veteran presence. Lukowich is a local boy, has a cup ring, and is the kind of 'intagibles' defenseman a club needs for a deep playoff run.

Mike Gillis has had an extraordinary summer. Re-signing the Sedins at a reasonable hit, getting Samuelsson for fair money, coaxing Shirokov to come over, and now this? One has to admire how he has taken a lost franchise and given it the leadership and professionalism it was so long bereft of.

Now, about that Luongo guy...

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Is Lukowich on a two-way ? or is he old enough that he does not have to clear waivers.

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What can you say?

White and Rahimi did not fit in our plans as there were obviously other prospects well ahead of them. Gillis has made the first round mistake now into a benefit

Lukowich is a solid and dependable defense man who easy makes our top 6 and Ehroff still has the potential to be a top end offensive defensman.

Gave up nothing, greatly shored up the defense and created some great options elsewhere.

Unbelievably good trade.

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Weird.
Yeah, EV SV% fluctuates randomly over time and sometimes players look better/worse because they had/didn't have luck in any given season. On ice SV%/shooting % is one of those things.

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Lukowich ... is he old enough that he does not have to clear waivers.
does such a thing exist?

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does such a thing exist?
The so-called "Wade Flaherty rule"....

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does such a thing exist?
Yeah, it's usually the other way around. If Lukowich passes through waivers, fine. If not, Aquilini doesn't mind burying someone like him.

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Just wondering...who would be okay for a Bieksa ($3.75) for Plekanek ($2.75) trade??

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Trade Demitra for a pick! Do it! Do it!!!! DO IT!!! Give room for one of Bernier/Raymond/Grabner/Hansen/Hodgson/Shirokov/Wellwood to step up like Kesler and Burrows did last year.

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