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04-04-2004, 10:57 AM
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Andyrchuck??

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04-04-2004, 10:59 AM
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Andyrchuck??
I wouldn't say he's a lock in, but I feel he should be in there.

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04-04-2004, 11:03 AM
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I wouldn't say he's a lock in, but I feel he should be in there.
If the most powerplay goals in NHL history (if he holds off Hull) does not get you in, than what will???

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04-04-2004, 11:10 AM
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If the most powerplay goals in NHL history (if he holds off Hull) does not get you in, than what will???
That's not a major category.

I think that Andreychuk will get in the Hall with his 600+ goals, but he wouldn't get my vote.

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04-04-2004, 11:19 AM
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Mogliny- had some outstanding seasons, some bad ones. Never won anything.
Mogilny won Stanley in 2000. And he is one of 13 players who have won Olympic Gold, World Championship and Stanley Cup.

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04-04-2004, 11:38 AM
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Wings, hands down...Yzerman, Shanahan, Chelios, Hull, Lidstrom, Hasek and probably Cujo.

And if you want to kinda stretch the rules, I have a feeling you will also see a couple of former Wings player in the Hall - I'd be almost willing to bet that Igor Larionov and Sergei Federov will go in as a Red Wing, if they go.

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04-04-2004, 11:45 AM
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Wings, hands down...Yzerman, Shanahan, Chelios, Hull, Lidstrom, Hasek and probably Cujo.
CuJo's bet chance to get in is the Toronto and Leaf loving media .....

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04-04-2004, 11:48 AM
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That may very well be, but there's still a good chance he will make it.

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04-04-2004, 11:49 AM
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That may very well be, but there's still a good chance he will make it.
I highly doubt it, especially if he isn't a Stanley cup winning goalie before he retires.

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04-04-2004, 11:50 AM
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Have to agree to disagree. It is all subjective, so to each their own.

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I don't recall seeing Mark Recchi's name. Is he a definite "no" for the Hall?

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I don't recall seeing Mark Recchi's name. Is he a definite "no" for the Hall?
Borderline IMO.

I probably wouldn't vote for him, but he's a better player than some of those that have gotten in recently (Mullen, Gillies...).

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04-04-2004, 12:00 PM
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JR deserves it far more then Selanne.

Hell, Recchi's borderline (450 goals, 1200+ points, about 2 years left in him) and e's above Selanne as well. JR is going to be in the HoF.

JR and Selanne are the same age.

JR has 474 645 for 1119

Selanne has 452 499 for 951


And JR is the one that brings more to the table then just goal scoring with his physical play.

Really, I don't think it's close and while you're entitled to your opinion, your opinion is rather odd in this one. Selanne had about 4 really good years and they weren't all back to back even. JR's had the better career
While they are the same age, you neglected one very notable difference:

JR- 1123 games played
Selanne- 878 games

The 150+ point difference is due to the 245 more games played.

JR is a great player, but was never a dominant one. Even in his glory days as a Blackhawk, that was Chelios' and Belfour's team. Not his. Since leaving Chelios and Belfour behind, he made it out of the 1st round only once and has never been up for any major award or placed as an All-Star.

If Selanne has had only 4 really good years, what does that say about JR? Look at the careers:
JR-
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php3?pid=4629
Selanne
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php3?pid=4863

If you are giving Selanne only 4 good years, then JR has not had a 'good' year since 1993-94. Otherwise, Selanne has performed as well or better virtually every season.

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Robitaille will be in the HOF
D'OH!!!

Definately IMO. Highest scoring LW ever.

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Andyrchuck??
IMO, no.

He has been steadily good, but never great. He leads in PP goals because he has played so long. He has been in the league for 20+ seasons, never had 100 points and only 3 times had 40+ goals. While great cleaning up garbage in front of the net, he was never a dominant player.

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Mogilny won Stanley in 2000. And he is one of 13 players who have won Olympic Gold, World Championship and Stanley Cup.
True. Mogilny has a good case, I am just not convinced by it. I could go either way with him.

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04-04-2004, 12:08 PM
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Borderline IMO.

I probably wouldn't vote for him, but he's a better player than some of those that have gotten in recently (Mullen, Gillies...).
Agreed. The Hall seems to be losing the notoriety it once had. It is becoming more like the MLB HoF. If you score X amount of points, play Y amount of games or are better than This Guy, you get in.

It should be held to a higher standard and honor only the truly greats.

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04-04-2004, 12:14 PM
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Agreed. The Hall seems to be losing the notoriety it once had. It is becoming more like the MLB HoF. If you score X amount of points, play Y amount of games or are better than This Guy, you get in.

It should be held to a higher standard and honor only the truly greats.

Agreed, I'm a tougher grader than most. No way Mullen, Gillies should get in. No Andreychuk or Gartner if I had a vote.

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04-04-2004, 12:21 PM
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True. Mogilny has a good case, I am just not convinced by it. I could go either way with him.

Mogilny won the Lady Byne last season and if I'm not mistaken would have won a Rocket Richard when he scored 76? 92-93 with Selanne?

May still end up being the highest scoring russian all time...

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04-04-2004, 12:41 PM
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Agreed, I'm a tougher grader than most. No way Mullen, Gillies should get in. No Andreychuk or Gartner if I had a vote.
Same here. Mullen deserves the American HoF because he was one of the best American players ever, but being good for our country doesn't mean you are a great in the big picture.

Jim Paek may be the best Korean born player ever, but I don't think that writes him a ticket. It may get his jersey in there, but he shouldn't be put in the same wing as Gretzky.

IMO, you should take nationality out of it. A good player is a good player regardless of where they were born. Grade them against their peers, not their countrymen.

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04-04-2004, 12:47 PM
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Mogilny won the Lady Byne last season and if I'm not mistaken would have won a Rocket Richard when he scored 76? 92-93 with Selanne?

May still end up being the highest scoring russian all time...
See my other post RE nationality. IMO, that shouldn't factor in the Hockey Hall of Fame. He is a lock to go in the Russian Hall of Fame (do they have one?), but that shouldn't punch his ticket.

I wouldn't consider the Byng a major award. It was often given out as a consolation prize.

He did lead league in goals. Was actually on pace to push Gretzky's record until cooling off (relatively speaking). For his career though, that season seemed more an abberation. That was the only time he pushed for the league lead in goals. His next best effort was 55 and had only 1 other season above 40.

If you look at that super year for AlMo, it was riding shotgun to Pat LaFontaine's career defining 148 point season. Had Mario played like a mear mortal and been at least slightly bothered by cancer treatments, Pat would have swept the Hart, Ross and Pearson.

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04-04-2004, 01:48 PM
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Toronto and Detroit are at the top.

How many are actually going in as members of that team though? Shanny, Yzerman, and Lidstrom for Detroit for sure(Chelios maybe). Only Sundin for Toronto.

How is Chelios a "maybe?"

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How is Chelios a "maybe?"
Maybe as in going in as a Red Wing is my guess.
I thought that in hockey guys didn't go into the hockey hall of fame on a specific team like in baseball. I could be wrong though.

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To make the HOF you need more than numbers to make it. The player would have to had made an impact on the game or be one of the VERY best at the time (and for a decent amount of time). And also international achievements should be considered. Remember, it's the Hockey Hall of Fame

eg. Bernie Nicholls and Vinny Damphousse have over 1000 points. At least 1200 I think. But they aren't deserving of HOF status. Why? They were never the best in the league for a sustained amount of time.

And of course just because you don't have the numbers doesn't mean you should be excluded. eg. Bob Gainey didn't have great numbers but is deserving since he is known as one of the best defensive forwards ever.

Impact matters a lot too. Igor Larionov is one example. His NHL numbers aren't great but his international resume is impressive. But even more importantly, he was one of the very first Russians to make it to the NHL. And they did it by fighting the system and not having to defect. This paved the way for future Russians to go to the NHL. Who knows, maybe if Larionov, Fetisov etc. didn't do that then the NHL would have had to wait longer for the Russians to come over.

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