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09-02-2009, 03:10 AM
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Take out Bieksa and Grabner and add in hansen and raymond, and its good trade.
For you yeah

Overpaid 2nd liner
3rd liner
3rd liner
2nd Round pick

for

45-50 goal scorer with attitude issues
Bottom pairing PP specialist

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If Vancouver wants Heatley a package like this would perhaps do the trick

Kevin Bieksa/Alex Edler
Pavol Demitra/Steve Bernier
Grabner/Raymond/Hansen
Pick (2nd/3rd/4th)

If I was a Canucks fan I would take Bieksa, Demitra, Raymond and a 2nd for Heatley.

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09-02-2009, 03:40 AM
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09-02-2009, 04:22 AM
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You won't get what as much as expected.
People are always saying this, and those people need to understand that we know. That's why we're not asking for a Pronger-type return.

That doesn't mean that salary dumps and spare parts is going to get you a multiple 50 goal scorer.

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09-02-2009, 06:37 AM
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If I was a Canucks fan I would take Bieksa, Demitra, Raymond and a 2nd for Heatley.
Since I am a Canuck fan, I can say I'd be pissed if the Canucks acquired Heatley at all!!!

We don't need him... not at his salary, not with his attitude, and not with that long-term contract.

The Canucks *finally* have depth... that would get destroyed with Heatley. They finally have a structure in place where they can retain their key players... that gets destroyed with Heatley's addition.

Why is that so hard for Sens fans to understand?? Adding Heatley isn't simply the players you are losing now - it's not being able to retain Kesler's contract when he gets a raise next year! And it's giving you problems over the next few years as Raymond, Shirokov, Bernier, Grabner and Hodgson all will need new contracts!

Heatley is a question mark when it comes to attitude and character as well... no matter how much you defend the guy, he did demand a trade and wants out of a team that is struggling right now... this is the 2nd time now, so even if you ignore his trade out of Atlanta because of his situation then, it's hard to discount it now. I don't want a player on this team that isn't happy if he has a reduced role, that feels that he should have some say in where he plays, how much he plays, and who he plays with, over the coach. I don't want a player that feels the right to demand a trade because things aren't going the way he wants on his team. What happens if he can't click withe Sedins - is he going to pout because he's on the 2nd line, playing without the top offensive players?? His history shows he will be... is that a risk worth taking with that contract??

This isn't the type of character I want to see added to the Canucks - at any cost!! The Canucks have a good close-knit team right now... solid core group that wants to play together and are willing to sign contracts that fit with the team's structure to make it happen. Heatley throws all that out of the window.

For a long-term $7.5mill/yr cap hit, I'd avoid him like the plague!!!

I want to continue seeing this team built the way it is - with depth, character guys who don't have a history of demanding trades because they are unhappy with their roles.

As a Canuck fan, I wouldn't give up Demitra, Lukowich and our worst prospect in the system for Heatley... because even that type of trade would force us to drop other contracts, lose more depth and take on a headache of a player that doesn't show any signs at all of being a team player. That is not needed in Vancouver at all!!

I wish Ottawa the best of luck with him... but he's not a contract and character headache I want to see anywhere near our organization!

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09-02-2009, 09:58 PM
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Take out Bieksa and Grabner and add in hansen and raymond, and its good trade.
In my proposal, the Canucks basically get Heatley for Bieksa and Grabner. I'd jump on that if i was Gillis. But maybe that's just me

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People are always saying this, and those people need to understand that we know. That's why we're not asking for a Pronger-type return.

That doesn't mean that salary dumps and spare parts is going to get you a multiple 50 goal scorer.
If only people could understand this...

If Heatley was at full value, we wouldn't be asking for Bieksa + Demitra + prospect/pick... We would be asking for Luongo or the Sedins or Edler + Hodgson + 1st...

I would also like that people stop saying : why don't Sens fans understand that ... blablabla, we don't want Heatley...

No one can speak for an entire fanbase.

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09-02-2009, 10:08 PM
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No, but the deal from Edmonton was about 25x better than this one (OP's proposal)
How so

Salo>Smid
Demitra>Penner
1 st round pick Raymond=Cogliano

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09-02-2009, 10:15 PM
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Since I am a Canuck fan, I can say I'd be pissed if the Canucks acquired Heatley at all!!!

We don't need him... not at his salary, not with his attitude, and not with that long-term contract.

The Canucks *finally* have depth... that would get destroyed with Heatley. They finally have a structure in place where they can retain their key players... that gets destroyed with Heatley's addition.

Why is that so hard for Sens fans to understand?? Adding Heatley isn't simply the players you are losing now - it's not being able to retain Kesler's contract when he gets a raise next year! And it's giving you problems over the next few years as Raymond, Shirokov, Bernier, Grabner and Hodgson all will need new contracts!

Heatley is a question mark when it comes to attitude and character as well... no matter how much you defend the guy, he did demand a trade and wants out of a team that is struggling right now... this is the 2nd time now, so even if you ignore his trade out of Atlanta because of his situation then, it's hard to discount it now. I don't want a player on this team that isn't happy if he has a reduced role, that feels that he should have some say in where he plays, how much he plays, and who he plays with, over the coach. I don't want a player that feels the right to demand a trade because things aren't going the way he wants on his team. What happens if he can't click withe Sedins - is he going to pout because he's on the 2nd line, playing without the top offensive players?? His history shows he will be... is that a risk worth taking with that contract??

This isn't the type of character I want to see added to the Canucks - at any cost!! The Canucks have a good close-knit team right now... solid core group that wants to play together and are willing to sign contracts that fit with the team's structure to make it happen. Heatley throws all that out of the window.

For a long-term $7.5mill/yr cap hit, I'd avoid him like the plague!!!

I want to continue seeing this team built the way it is - with depth, character guys who don't have a history of demanding trades because they are unhappy with their roles.

As a Canuck fan, I wouldn't give up Demitra, Lukowich and our worst prospect in the system for Heatley... because even that type of trade would force us to drop other contracts, lose more depth and take on a headache of a player that doesn't show any signs at all of being a team player. That is not needed in Vancouver at all!!

I wish Ottawa the best of luck with him... but he's not a contract and character headache I want to see anywhere near our organization!
So, are you saying that you don't want Heatley on the Canucks?

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09-02-2009, 10:19 PM
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So, are you saying that you don't want Heatley on the Canucks?
He doesn't fit.

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I wouldn't want him here neither

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09-02-2009, 10:44 PM
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For you yeah

Overpaid 2nd liner
3rd liner
3rd liner
2nd Round pick

for

45-50 goal scorer with attitude issues
Bottom pairing PP specialist

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If Vancouver wants Heatley a package like this would perhaps do the trick

Kevin Bieksa/Alex Edler
Pavol Demitra/Steve Bernier
Grabner/Raymond/Hansen
Pick (2nd/3rd/4th)

If I was a Canucks fan I would take Bieksa, Demitra, Raymond and a 2nd for Heatley.
Are you kidding me? Heatley is worth probably what you said, but no one is willing to give up Heatley's true value. So if you're LUCKY, you'll get MAYBE one of Bieksa/Edler, a 3rd liner, and hopefully a late pick if Gillis feels for you.

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09-02-2009, 11:07 PM
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Are you kidding me? Heatley is worth probably what you said, but no one is willing to give up Heatley's true value. So if you're LUCKY, you'll get MAYBE one of Bieksa/Edler, a 3rd liner, and hopefully a late pick if Gillis feels for you.
Then Murray Counters with

Heatley
Kelly
Neil

For

Sedins

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Then Murray Counters with

Heatley
Kelly
Neil

For

Sedins
And then Gillis reminds Murray that he's the one that has a high profile player that has demanded a trade.

I really don't see Gillis having much interest in Heatley at all. Gillis preaches character and integrity in his players, Heatley doesn't scream either. Although I suppose if the asking price was right Gillis would listen, but my guess is that Gillis wouldn't be able to get him cheap enough to entice him.

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09-02-2009, 11:30 PM
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Heatley will not be traded for scrubs. Murray is a stuborn SOB and he won't budge. The OPs deal is worse than the EDM deal IMO. Start with Edler and a 1st and then add on your dead weight and it will be a fair trade.

Edler, 1st, Demitra

for

Heatley


or

Bernier, 1st, Salo, Raymond

for Heatley


That is fair and makes some sense. The Sens need a player with a decent point shot this season. I figure Salo and Edler would fit the bill. Edler obviously has significantly more value than Salo.

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Are you kidding me? Heatley is worth probably what you said, but no one is willing to give up Heatley's true value. So if you're LUCKY, you'll get MAYBE one of Bieksa/Edler, a 3rd liner, and hopefully a late pick if Gillis feels for you.
Then Murray will opt to leave a motivated 50 goal scorer on his roster to begin the season. Some sucker will pay later in the season. According to every publication, the Sens are going to suck this year anyways, so why rush things?

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Heatley will not be traded for scrubs. Murray is a stuborn SOB and he won't budge. The OPs deal is worse than the EDM deal IMO. Start with Edler and a 1st and then add on your dead weight and it will be a fair trade.

Edler, 1st, Demitra

for

Heatley
The Canucks are very unlikely to deal Edler. He's their future on defense and it wouldn't be surprising to see him become the team's #1 d-man as early as next season.


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Bernier, 1st, Salo, Raymond

for Heatley


That is fair and makes some sense. The Sens need a player with a decent point shot this season. I figure Salo and Edler would fit the bill. Edler obviously has significantly more value than Salo.
This is more doable from a Canucks' POV. Salo does have a NTC, but if he were to waive it, Ottawa makes sense given his history there. That said, Gillis has stated he won't ask players to waive their NTC and I really don't see Gillis having too much interest in Heatley.

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If I was a Canucks fan I would take Bieksa, Demitra, Raymond and a 2nd for Heatley.
Hrm, I'd almost do that one now that Luongo has a $5.3 million cap hit going forward.

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So, are you saying that you don't want Heatley on the Canucks?
I don't.

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Lol at the sedins for heatley offer. HAHAHAHA


Why don't ***** sens fans get that we don't need heatley. He doesn't fit!
Bieksa, Edler, Sedins, Kesler, Burrows, Luongo, Hodgson, Schroeder will not be traded and most of em are untouchable.


So stop with the heatley to vancouver trades.

/end thread.

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Lol at the sedins for heatley offer. HAHAHAHA


Why don't ***** sens fans get that we don't need heatley. He doesn't fit!
Bieksa, Edler, Sedins, Kesler, Burrows, Luongo, Hodgson, Schroeder will not be traded and most of em are untouchable.


So stop with the heatley to vancouver trades.

/end thread.
Umm... it was Vancouver fans who started this trade thread.... with the ever so glorious packaged of Raymond/Demitra/Salo +pick....Notice the OP who has Demitra in Ottawa's 1st line, and Raymond in their Second...like that is some kind of amazing deal.

Heatley is an all star talent, Canucks fans will have to give up something to get him back. Demitra has little if not negative value with his contract. Raymond little value. Salo also little value as he is one of the older and more injury prone of Vancouver's defencemen.

If you don't want to see trade proposals involving the players you have listed talk to your own fan base. It's entirely reasonable for Ottawa fans to respond to a proposal for Heatley by actually asking for something back in return.

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So, are you saying that you don't want Heatley on the Canucks?
nope... not at all! But I'm confident that Gillis would have no interest in him either - doesn't fit with anything he's said and built to date - and one thing about Gillis is that he seems to follow through on what he says.

Personally, I want to see him repair his relationship in Ottawa and continue his career there.... he's got a good fit there, and their cap structure is in place to accommodate him. He makes sense in Ottawa. doesn't make sense on a team who's cap situation is already set, and would have no reason to tear up their short-term and long-term plans to fit him.

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So, are you saying that you don't want Heatley on the Canucks?
We don't want Heatley he just isn't a fit in Vancouver

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