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09-01-2009, 04:50 PM
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So we don't have the same setup as we have had in previous years for the prospect thread. I find it hard to follow our boys without knowing their stats and I assume there is less prospect talk than in the past, in part, due to the lack of easily accessible information. Kimzey, I believe, use to compile a list of prospects, with a link to their stats. So, here is my first effort at compiling that list. Any help would be great! PM me if you find missing or wrong links.

Left Wingers
Simon Hjalmarsson http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...php?pid=105392
Jay Barriball http://www.uscho.com/stats/team-over.../sort,PTS.html
Matthew McCollem

Centers
Nicholas Drazenovic http://www.rivermen.net/team/stats/
Lars Eller http://www.rivermen.net/team/stats/
Travis Erstad http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...php?pid=104243
Tomas Kana http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=83431
Jori Lehtera http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=96457
Philip McRae http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=96575
Anthony Nigro http://www.ontariohockeyleague.com/s...er.php?id=4514
Trevor Nill http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...php?pid=105404
Chris Porter http://www.rivermen.net/team/stats/
Andy Sackrison http://www.uscho.com/stats/team-over.../sort,PTS.html
Brett Sonne http://www.rivermen.net/team/stats/

Right Wingers
Sergei Andronov http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...php?pid=101685
Aaron Palushaj http://www.rivermen.net/team/stats/
Ian Schultz http://www.whl.ca/stats/player.php?id=24759
James Livingston http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=96565
Nikolai Lemtyugov http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=80670
Tyler Shattock http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=91268
Ryan Reaves http://www.rivermen.net/team/stats/

Defensemen
David Rundblad http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...php?pid=112749
Ian Cole http://www.uscho.com/stats/team-over.../sort,PTS.html
Cade Fairchild http://www.uscho.com/stats/team-over.../sort,PTS.html
Jonas Junland http://www.rivermen.net/team/stats/
Steve Wagner http://www.rivermen.net/team/stats/
Alexander Hellstrom http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...php?pid=84464a
Alex Pietrangelo http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=96594
Brett Ponich http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=98867
David Warsofsky http://www.uscho.com/stats/team-over.../sort,PTS.html
Kristoffer Berglund http://stats.swehockey.se/ Lulea
Ryan Turek http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=81011
T.J. Fast http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=87892
David Shields http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...php?pid=106860
Mark Cundari http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=96519
Anthony Peluso http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=89723

Goaltenders
Jake Allen http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...php?pid=106592
Ben Bishop http://www.rivermen.net/team/stats/
Paul Karpowich [http://www.uscho.com/stats/team-over.../sort,PTS.html


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reopened, no point in trying to organize things.

Enjoy.


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09-03-2009, 11:07 AM
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This years THN preview has the blues top ten prospects ranked:
1. Alex Pietrangelo
2. David Rundblad
3. Lars Eller
4. Jake Allen
5. Ian Cole
6. Ben Bishop
7. Jonas Junland
8. Philip Mcrae
9. Aaron Palushaj
10. Brett Sonne
So they like him more in hockeys new than in hockeysfuture(whos rankings seem inconsistent).

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Bishop is overrated as a prospect. His numbers got worse in Maine and he hasn't proven himself in the AHL yet.

He needs a big season this year in the minors to become a real prospect.

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This years THN preview has the blues top ten prospects ranked:
1. Alex Pietrangelo
2. David Rundblad
3. Lars Eller
4. Jake Allen
5. Ian Cole
6. Ben Bishop
7. Jonas Junland
8. Philip Mcrae
9. Aaron Palushaj
10. Brett Sonne
So they like him more in hockeys new than in hockeysfuture(whos rankings seem inconsistent).
Why did McRae jump above Palushaj? They both have progressed well, and Palushaj was ranked slightly above him before. Palushaj is ahead of him timewise, so, when both are progressing as well as can be expected why should they jockey back and forth (it's difficult to compare, as one is at a higher level).

To me, many of these rankings change on whims and gut feelings, rather than logical analysis based on actual, concrete input).

All we can say is that all the players in the top 15 or so are progressing decently. Bishop has fallen because his game hasn't progressed well. He's got basics to get down pat and get consistent with, and he isn't doing that as quickly or as consistently as a lot of other goaltenders have (thus the drop in ranking). But, goaltenders have a mental aspect to their game that is more important to their development than the mental aspect is for skaters, and like the basic skills learning aspects, usually takes much longer to develop in goaltenders. So, it takes much longer to tell if a goalie prospect is a bust.

However, until Bishops overall skills take a leap of improvement, and his consistency of good play improves, he will drop slowly in the rankings.

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Why did McRae jump above Palushaj? They both have progressed well, and Palushaj was ranked slightly above him before. Palushaj is ahead of him timewise, so, when both are progressing as well as can be expected why should they jockey back and forth (it's difficult to compare, as one is at a higher level).
Simple; because Power Forwards are valued more than finesse wingers like Palushaj.
McRae had a very good year and plays a power game, so he jumped over Palushaj who while "gritty" at times, is a fairly finesse guy.

Honestly, I can't say that I disagree with that either as I think McRae has higher upside than he's given credit for. Too many people conjure up images of Basil when thinking about Phil.

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Speaking of which, I plan to do the next round of TFP(which is usually the most acurate ranking of our system) here pretty soon. Things have been a little hectic both at home and work and I haven't been able to get it rolling, but I expect to have a bit more time here pretty soon. I also plan to update the Prospect thread for the new year sometime during training camp.

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Simple; because Power Forwards are valued more than finesse wingers like Palushaj.
McRae had a very good year and plays a power game, so he jumped over Palushaj who while "gritty" at times, is a fairly finesse guy.

Honestly, I can't say that I disagree with that either as I think McRae has higher upside than he's given credit for. Too many people conjure up images of Basil when thinking about Phil.



Speaking of which, I plan to do the next round of TFP(which is usually the most acurate ranking of our system) here pretty soon. Things have been a little hectic both at home and work and I haven't been able to get it rolling, but I expect to have a bit more time here pretty soon. I also plan to update the Prospect thread for the new year sometime during training camp.
McRae shouldn't be considered a "power forward". He's got decent size, but doesn't really play like a power forward. He counts on skill and finesse alot more than physical play. He's been incorporating more of the latter into his game recently. But I'm not sure he even projects to become a power forward.

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McRae shouldn't be considered a "power forward". He's got decent size, but doesn't really play like a power forward. He counts on skill and finesse alot more than physical play. He's been incorporating more of the latter into his game recently. But I'm not sure he even projects to become a power forward.
Agreed. Phil has good size but he doesn't really play a power game. He's been using his size more lately but still not enough to be considered a PF IMO. He's sort of like Bergy in terms of style of play - a big guy but not necessarily a power guy if that makes any sense. I suppose he could develop more of a power game but at this point I think he's more of just a highly skilled center with size.

That said, I can see why some would have him ranked ahead of Palushaj. I see both as developing into NHL 2nd liners but McRae might have slightly better offensive skills, plays a more valuable position (center over RW), and is bigger so I can see why he would be put higher on some people's lists even though he's a little behind development-wise compared to Palushaj.

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I'm really tired of defending Bishop, but anyway...

So I'll just say his "potential" is still sky high. He had a bad year and showed some inconsistency. Theres tones of NHL starting goaltenders that had off years in the minors. The guy is very imature, based off me meeting him. That will change. I believe he will settle down and put it all together.

And anyway predicting goalies isn't like predicting the weather. Theres no jet stream, high or low pressure areas, no water temps. No ****ing El Nino Oscillation. You just really never know, until it does or doesn't happen. The only thing we do know is he "does" have the tools to become a great tender someday.

I'm still a believer

Sorry for coming off bitter. I'll drink my coffee now.

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Why did McRae jump above Palushaj? They both have progressed well, and Palushaj was ranked slightly above him before. Palushaj is ahead of him timewise, so, when both are progressing as well as can be expected why should they jockey back and forth (it's difficult to compare, as one is at a higher level).

To me, many of these rankings change on whims and gut feelings, rather than logical analysis based on actual, concrete input).

All we can say is that all the players in the top 15 or so are progressing decently. Bishop has fallen because his game hasn't progressed well. He's got basics to get down pat and get consistent with, and he isn't doing that as quickly or as consistently as a lot of other goaltenders have (thus the drop in ranking). But, goaltenders have a mental aspect to their game that is more important to their development than the mental aspect is for skaters, and like the basic skills learning aspects, usually takes much longer to develop in goaltenders. So, it takes much longer to tell if a goalie prospect is a bust.

However, until Bishops overall skills take a leap of improvement, and his consistency of good play improves, he will drop slowly in the rankings.
IMO 2 reasons: Pedigree and draft position. At this point, all things being equal and unknown McRae is 2nd gen. and was drafted higher in his particular draft year than Palushaj.

Until one or the other improves dramatically McRae gets the nod. Its just a list though, everyone can make lists about anything, but the rankings don't really mean everything.

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I'm really tired of defending Bishop, but anyway...

So I'll just say his "potential" is still sky high. He had a bad year and showed some inconsistency. Theres tones of NHL starting goaltenders that had off years in the minors. The guy is very imature, based off me meeting him. That will change. I believe he will settle down and put it all together.

And anyway predicting goalies isn't like predicting the weather. Theres no jet stream, high or low pressure areas, no water temps. No ****ing El Nino Oscillation. You just really never know, until it does or doesn't happen. The only thing we do know is he "does" have the tools to become a great tender someday.

I'm still a believer

Sorry for coming off bitter. I'll drink my coffee now.
Exactly, being a young goaltender is often like being a young quarterback or young pitcher. Those positions are the lynchpins in their particular sport and it doesn't take much to wreck a young players confidence. It also doesn't mean they never will improve.

Marek Schwarz has the skills to be a good starting NHL goaltender, he may still. Same for Bishop or Toivonen imo. It all depends on how they mature and what sort of coaching they are given. I look forward to seeing what sort of influence The Eagle has on them...I am also quite afraid of that very same thing.

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Rundblad scored the 4th goal today in a 4-2 victory over russia in u20 4 nations cup tourney. He was on swedens top pairing with tim erixon, who was also on his mens team in the swedish elite league.

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That said, I can see why some would have him ranked ahead of Palushaj. I see both as developing into NHL 2nd liners but McRae might have slightly better offensive skills, plays a more valuable position (center over RW), and is bigger so I can see why he would be put higher on some people's lists even though he's a little behind development-wise compared to Palushaj.
Because they play different games, we'll just have to wait to see who is more productive, but I would say Palushaj is more skilled. McRae is probably going to be much more of a goalscorer in the NHL, but I think Palushaj is more offensively gifted overall.

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I'm really tired of defending Bishop, but anyway...
What you describe doesn't sound like defending to me. It actually sounds a lot like the most common and reasonable opinion on Bishop, you just seem to have more hope invested in his ability to turn the corner and put it all together. I, too, think Bishop gets overlooked, but I also hesitate to put him in my top 10 for the Blues' prospects, simply because he's 1. farther away, and 2. less likely to fulfill that great potential.

Dude could look like the second coming in another year or two, but it has to happen first.

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After going to hockeysfuture.com and viewing the Blues rankings, I was surprised to see that Bishop has been bumped all the way down to number 14?

Allen, Junland, Fairchild, Hjalmarsson and K Berglund are all ahead of Bishop?

Is there a reason why he's fallen so far down? I was kind of shocked.
Allen is the only one there who is clearly ahead of Bishop, that shouldn't be shocking. Maybe I'm wrong, but think most of us put him ahead of Bishop as soon as he was selected. The others could make cases, and I wouldn't say it's shocking, either, but you could pretty well pick names out of a hat for those guys.

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A healthy full season for Bishop would certainly help.


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this mornings skate had palushaj-sonne-combs as the number 1 line, pretty basic drills. both goalies looked good, allen the same as he was at prospect camp a month or so ago. petro looked solid, still so much filling out to do. i think he will be a great complement to ej or any other well rounded d man of ours, cole, rundblad. i really like what i see from palushaj and sonne chemistry wise. They could develop together on a line in peoria next years as peorias version of the kid line.

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this mornings skate had palushaj-sonne-combs as the number 1 line, pretty basic drills. both goalies looked good, allen the same as he was at prospect camp a month or so ago. petro looked solid, still so much filling out to do. i think he will be a great complement to ej or any other well rounded d man of ours, cole, rundblad. i really like what i see from palushaj and sonne chemistry wise. They could develop together on a line in peoria next years as peorias version of the kid line.
This morning's skate? Aren't those guys all up in Traverse City now? If so, are you there too?

(Sorry for the dumb questions...been working nights for the last week & can't hardly remember my own name!)

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This morning's skate? Aren't those guys all up in Traverse City now? If so, are you there too?

(Sorry for the dumb questions...been working nights for the last week & can't hardly remember my own name!)
They left today after 11am practice at the mills. They got into traverse tonight. Unfortunately I will not be heading up to the tournament but have some people possibly getting me some video.

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The Hemingways, Colin and Brett, are returning to Alaska.

They're probably former prospects

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I don't know if you guys were having problems with it or not but I got the Blue v Gold scrimage game to play again today and am watching it now. I needed a FIX!!

I'm mainly focusing on Pie and Cole this viewing.

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According to PJ Star, Ryan Bayda has finally accepted the PTO with The Blues.

Go toward the bottom of the article called "River Readings".

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Pietrangelo article on NHL.com

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Here's a nice piece about Brett Ponich.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=497853

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Hey, I just thought I'd point out something for whoever does your team's prospect pages. I noticed that David Shields' page says that his hometown is Buffalo, NY. He's actually born and raised in Rochester (in my town of Irondequoit), about 60 miles away from Buffalo. For whatever reason, sites like hockeydb.com also have Buffalo, but I can assure you with 100% certainty that it should be Rochester. Don't mean to nitpick, just pointing it out.

Hope you guys have a good season. Without a doubt the Blues are my favorite Western Conference team.

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Hey, I just thought I'd point out something for whoever does your team's prospect pages. I noticed that David Shields' page says that his hometown is Buffalo, NY. He's actually born and raised in Rochester (in my town of Irondequoit), about 60 miles away from Buffalo. For whatever reason, sites like hockeydb.com also have Buffalo, but I can assure you with 100% certainty that it should be Rochester. Don't mean to nitpick, just pointing it out.

Hope you guys have a good season. Without a doubt the Blues are my favorite Western Conference team.
No problem. Be proud of your town. Rochester is a good, hard-nosed town. A friend of mine went to your tech school there. Top notch.

It's amazing how many player bios are incorrect about that stuff.

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Lars Eller has been diagnosed with mono, and could in worst case, be out for months.

Eller unlucky again.

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