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05-09-2004, 01:45 PM
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Absolutely no way we're getting a 2nd for Manny. I thought we might be able to pull a deal like this at the trade deadline, but it won't happen now. He's a rfa set to make a salary that the Wild probably won't want to pay a guy to start 35-40 games. Teams know this and a team like the Kings would recognize that if they wanted to sign him for 2.5/3.0 million, Doug would be in no mood to match.

I think the best we could hope for is that a team would play it safe (just in case the Wild matched), and give us a late 3rd or more likely a 4th for his rights. Second rounder? Not a prayer.

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If the Wild don't get a 2nd or better, then there is no reason to move him. He's a proven player, maybe inconsistent, but still a pretty good player. If we have to keep him, then that's what we should do. We shouldn't give him away unless we get fare value or at least close to value. Trading away grinder types at the deadline is one thing but giving away a NHL goalie for ??????? I've been trumpeting a deal with Fernandez as long as anyone else. But I wouldn't ever consider giving him away for nothing. Nor should the Wild.

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We'll lose two of our three goalies if we don't move Fernandez.

 
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We'll lose two of our three goalies if we don't move Fernandez.
Whom are we talking about? Cloutier, Kettles, Brust? They will sign a minor league deal here or there. Holmqvist is signed, so is Harding. That's three (not including Fernandez) with upto five more positions to go. Harding could start out the year with the Ice Gators. Since it is likely that the Aeros will have a Stars goalie for next season. Brust could go to Chorpus Christi or be loaned out to another team in the minors if he's signed. We won't lose guys management will deem worthy of keeping. Deals will get done if and when it's time to do something.

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Ummm hell no. Don't send any freaking goalie to Corpus Christi or Austin, it's close to a beer league if any.

Minnesota:
Dwayne Roloson
Manny Fernandez

Houston:
Johan Holmqvist

Louisiana Ice Gators:
Kyle Kettles
Barry Brust (???)

WHL:
Josh Harding

I think it might hurt Harding to be an overager in the WHL...Problem is where the hell do you put him? ECHL? No, he won't learn much there. Best place for Harding would be in either Minnesota or Houston.

 
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05-11-2004, 09:08 PM
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This team is filled with versatile players.
I'm baffled by this comment.....

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05-11-2004, 09:42 PM
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On the Fernandez thing:

I certainly don't want to see him go. I think everybody here would love to maintain the current 1a/1b system. But from what I've heard, we're simply not going to pay his large qualifying offer. Which means, he's walking and we'll get nothing (Does anybody know if we'd get any compensatory picks in the draft?).

Maybe there's a fair argument for paying the 3.0 million it'll take to keep him. Still, I'm not going to be the one to blast Doug for not investing that much + the Roloson cotract to keep our goalies.

What I personally question is how come a deal couldn't get done at the trade deadline that would bring us much better compensation for Fernandez. I thought that there'd surely be some team desperate enough for goaltending to cough up a 2nd or 3rd rounder for him. After, what he did against the Avs in the playoffs, I thought Colorado might swing a deal. But I guess they liked Salo better. And I guess there wasn't much of a market for goalies elsewhere.

At this point last year, I liked Fernandez just as well as Roloson. In that case, I'd say let's resign Fernandez and trade Roloson (so we'd at least get a descent return). But Roloson has definitely established himself as the undeniable better of the two. So I wouldn't be too keen on that idea.

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Ummm maybe because players can swing to other positions like Park LOL...

He can play RW, center, and bench pretty well.

 
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05-12-2004, 12:16 AM
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I'm baffled by this comment.....
Wes Walz 25 pts
Richard Park 25 pts
Anti Laaksonen 26 pts
Marc Chouinard 21 pts
*Jim Dowd 24 pts
Jason Weimer 22 pts

All are muckers and all contributed timely goals and plays on offense all year. I know, not staggering numbers, but like I said, timely. Hell, for awhile this year they were all we had for offense. All well above average defensively. Not to forget the d played by Alex Daigle, Marian Gaborik, Pascal Dupuis and Andrew Brunette...all played aggressive defensively.

It's what you call Lemaire hockey...bore them to death defensively and pounce on the offensive opportunities that are given.

Not to mention Brent Burns ...I think that was the context I was speaking in when I said that.

Definitely versatile IMO.

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05-12-2004, 12:52 AM
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On the Fernandez thing:
I have a feeling that Doug will qualify him. 3 mil is alot to pay a guy who starts 30+ games, but to let him walk for nothing... He's not that old, he is playoff tested, he still holds some decent value and is a security blanket in the event of injury or Roli meltdown. He obviously is the lesser of the tandem, now, but could be a valuable asset down the road when the goalie market isn't so saturated. Plus 6+ mil for two goaltenders is better than 6+ mil for one like some teams roll with.

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05-12-2004, 10:55 AM
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versatile? I think Burns is NOT versatile at all.....which is why he ended up back on the blueline...

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versatile? I think Burns is NOT versatile at all.....which is why he ended up back on the blueline...
ver·sa·tile ( P ) Pronunciation Key (vûrs-tl, -tl)
adj.
Capable of doing many things competently.
Having varied uses or serving many functions: “The most versatile of vegetables is the tomato” (Craig Claiborne).
Variable or inconstant; changeable: a versatile temperament.
Biology. Capable of moving freely in all directions, as the antenna of an insect, the toe of an owl, or the loosely attached anther of a flower.

What about the other guys I mentioned?

If it is just a Brent Burns thing, well, I think Filip Kuba's injury had a little something to do with Burns on the blueline...call me crazy...Plus, don't you think it is a little early to be pegging an 18-19 year old rookie? If he couldn't do both competently, do you think he would be here doing it? I think Burns will continue to move around positions as long as a) he can pull it off b) he is needed at those positions c) proves he can do one better than the other. Next up for Brent, GOALIE!

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05-13-2004, 11:19 AM
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05-13-2004, 08:05 PM
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Wild need depth all around...period...

We could end up with four left wingers, four centers, and four right wingers with 7 defensemen in the system under 24...I think...

LW:
Jordan Krestanovich
Mathieu Melanson
Derek Boogaard
Niklas Eckerblom (why we ever drafted this guy...we should've at least drafted a CHLer)

Center:
Mark Cullen
Armands Berzins
Marcin Kolusz
Adam Courchaine

(I strongly believe that Cavosie and Cavanaugh will be moved if they don't make the team...Cavosie maybe less than Cavanaugh)

RW:
Danny Irmen
Matt Foy
Mike Erickson (if we sign this guy!)

Defense:
Eric Reitz
Chris Heid
Georgii Misharin
Jean Michel Bolduc
Mikah Tyulyapkin (if he comes over)

Goalies:
Josh Harding
Kyle Kettles
Miroslav Kopriva (why did we draft this guy)

We are extremely shallow and have no gems or guys that are goalscorers in our system. We got projects and grinders.

We've lost almost 13/26 draft picks in our first 3 years alone...That is a ton of draft picks for an expansion team to lose...

5 in the first year, 2 in the second, and maybe 6 in this last year...

 
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05-14-2004, 02:59 PM
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If we hit on 35% of drafted players, wouldn't that be considered a good draft? It's when those early (1st-2nd rounders) picks don't do much of anything that hurts a franchise. We seem to be along way from having that trouble.

Neither are we getting some of the better players in the draft when you finish in the middle of the pack. I'll worry more when our top prospects start falling by the way-side. Which will happen probably sooner then we think.

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05-14-2004, 03:13 PM
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I'm looking at Gaborik, Koivu, and Bouchard...

This has to be a break out year for Gaborik or he'll be nothing more than a solid 2 way winger. Bouchard has to start piling up the weights and the points or he'll be considered a bust.

 
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05-14-2004, 05:51 PM
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I don't agree with that. He's 22 years old. Some guys are late bloomers...but Gaborik had a couple of solid seasons early, so that increases expectations for him. I do think that he has to have a pretty good year in order to prove that he can perform at the level he did in the playoffs, but if he doesn't, I'm not sure he would be nothing more than a solid 2 way player. That said, I'm hoping he has a really good year, or I don't think we'll be having that much success next season.

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How is Kopriva doing?

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Heheh, better not say anything about Kopriva...He's done okay but really, really shakey and he was a bit of an overager in his league.

 
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Bouchard has 3 more years before hes considered a bust. Most small players don't start in the league at the young age of 18 like he did. They don't take as much time as power forwards do but they do take longer than the average forward.

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Bouchard has 3 more years before hes considered a bust. Most small players don't start in the league at the young age of 18 like he did. They don't take as much time as power forwards do but they do take longer than the average forward.
PMB needs to get stronger to make it in the NHL. Experience (years) will help him play a smarter game, but if he gets muscled out of the play everytime he touches the puck, how will he make those "awesome plays" that everyone knows he is capable of? Martin St. Louis is a perfect example. Small, smart, and strong.

He does need time, in terms of gaining weight and size, but other than that I'd say the skill is there.

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You guys aren't giving Bouchard much time to turn it on, IMO. Look at the careers of Ronning, St. Louis, even Fluery to an extent... these smaller guys had time. None of them had a quick jump from the minors to NHL productivity. Bouchard just needs some time to figure things out a bit more. I think he's shown some decent improvement, even considering the standard sophomore slump he hit. In my opinion, he doesn't even need to get much stronger, he just needs to get smarter at staying away from guys. When he does that well, he's successful already.

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Ceber, this is hockey...you can't just 'stay away from guys'. If he ever does put this skill together, he's going to be keyed on like Gaborik is...and with his size, I'm not sure he'll be able to do anything about it. He has to get bigger, period. He's not as fast as Gaborik, so he doesn't have that going for him. If he doesn't get bigger, all he'll be is a PP specialist, and we all know that he's got the skill to be more than that. He has to get bigger, you can't survive in the NHL anymore unless you have some strength. Ronning was great in his time, but he was always best on the PP. We're going to need PMB contributing on more than just the PP.

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Ceber, this is hockey...you can't just 'stay away from guys'. If he ever does put this skill together, he's going to be keyed on like Gaborik is...and with his size, I'm not sure he'll be able to do anything about it. He has to get bigger, period. He's not as fast as Gaborik, so he doesn't have that going for him. If he doesn't get bigger, all he'll be is a PP specialist, and we all know that he's got the skill to be more than that. He has to get bigger, you can't survive in the NHL anymore unless you have some strength. Ronning was great in his time, but he was always best on the PP. We're going to need PMB contributing on more than just the PP.
This is hockey? What the...? I'm on the wrong boards!

I guess I just don't think Bouchard is as weak as everyone else thinks he is. Also, I'm not saying he doesn't need to gain any strength at all. I don't think he needs to bulk up all that much, though. He's not going to get any taller, and he's got to be careful to keep his speed and agility. And when I say stay away from guys, I mean that more in the sense of not trying to play a power-forward role, rather than try to avoid contact altogether.
I guess I just don't believe every forward needs to be a power forward to be successful. We've seen St. Louis get creamed pretty easily in this Philly series. He knows how to pick his spots, and he does it in such a way that people fear him. Once the fear sets in he's got a lot more room to move. Defensemen don't jump on Gaborik right away because they're wary of his speed and they know they need to be careful when he's got the puck. If they didn't have that fear, we'd see Gabby scoring a lot more as guys got burned always tried to take the body on him. I think they'll give the same space to Bouchard once PMB gets his game going. He'll probably never be the guy who can just power the puck through a couple of guys in the corner. He just doesn't have the frame. He could be the guy that the defensemen don't take the body on right away because they're worried he'll make them look silly with an elusive move or a beauty pass though. I think he's got the skills to do that, he just needs to do it enough and at the right time and opponents will start to fear him a bit. Once the fear sets in, the physical side won't be as important. All just my opinion of course.

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Yea, I dont know why everyone is jumping on Bouchard and saying hes a bust. He improved his point total this past season granted it was only like 2 points but its an improvment. Hes one of the few players that can skate the puck into the offensive zone, he just needs to get better linemates, which will come as we gain more talent through the draft. I think we will have to wait a couple years before you could consider him a bust, which hes not gonna be he has too mich talent, because he is small and it takes the smaller guys longer guys to adapt to the NHL game. Bouchard will Not be a Bust.

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