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Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XVI: Barbarian at the Gate

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09-02-2009, 12:01 PM
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Baum doesn't seem to like the idea of taking Leipold's word as gospel.
good he really shouldn't leipold is a crook himself. who paid someone money so the person he gave the money to, could purchase the predators from him.

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09-02-2009, 12:03 PM
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surprised that sabres and pens abstained from voting against balls

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09-02-2009, 12:04 PM
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Now we're finally getting somewhere.

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09-02-2009, 12:05 PM
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Coyotes BK: Now on alleged Leafs veto. Judge: Why not fix NHL constitution if there's no veto? Goldfein: It refers to expansion, not relo
So much for the front door approach!

Let me get this straight.
Leafs have a veto re expansion
Jims offer for the Pens included a 7 year no relocation clause and if he wanted to move the team, he has to sell it back to the league.

Now I understand why he's doing what he's doing.

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09-02-2009, 12:06 PM
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surprised that sabres and pens abstained from voting against balls
the last thing the Sabres need is the people in Hamilton & GTA PO'ed at them. Easier to just abstain and glide under the radar on this one.

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So much for the front door approach!
I find it really hard to interpretate this twitter, as it isn't clear to me what the 'refer'-part refers to.

@mouser:
May you comment on the Resnik twitter and shed some light on this twitter?

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09-02-2009, 12:13 PM
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I find it really hard to interpretate this twitter, as it isn't clear to me what the 'refer'-part refers to.

@mouser:
May you comment on the Resnik twitter and shed some light on this twitter?
I agree. It is confusing.
However, if it is true, it contradicts what Bettman has said all along.

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09-02-2009, 12:15 PM
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Coyotes BK: Now on alleged Leafs veto. Judge: Why not fix NHL constitution if there's no veto? Goldfein: It refers to expansion, not relo
Then, why did Bettman claim in his email (the email that talked about Winnipeg) that if these's a team in Hamilton one day, it will be because the NHL will have expanded there.

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09-02-2009, 12:16 PM
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I agree. It is confusing.
However, if it is true, it contradicts what Bettman has said all along.
The idea that there is a front door to Hamilton has, and continues to be obvious bull ****.

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09-02-2009, 12:18 PM
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LOL at the HUGE difference in the play-by-play comments on Twitter by Resnik and HKYFN. You'd think that they were at two completely different hearings...

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09-02-2009, 12:21 PM
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One question that needs asking:

What kind of first name is "Redfield" and who name thier son that?

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Balsille's team has basically admitted that they didn't have the rights to sell tickets using the Predators name in Hamilton. Not sure how relevent that will be, but I think the judge will appreciate the lack of bull ******** for once!

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I agree. It is confusing.
However, if it is true, it contradicts what Bettman has said all along.
It should be "if my interpretation of the twitter is true". Damn this 140 signs limitation. Where is mouser?

Edit: Here is a later twitter which picks the expansion/relocation veto up:

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Coyotes BK: Wondering if judge comes back to that distinction on Leafs' veto: expansion not relo. Why one, not other?

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09-02-2009, 12:26 PM
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I find it really hard to interpretate this twitter, as it isn't clear to me what the 'refer'-part refers to.

@mouser:
May you comment on the Resnik twitter and shed some light on this twitter?
NHL said that Bettman/NHL determined that the "veto" clause could be still applied to expansions but not relocations. Believe this was 2005 or 2006.

Was one of a few reasons mentioned in response to the judge's question why the NHL hadn't ameneded the constitution.

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09-02-2009, 12:26 PM
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LOL at the HUGE difference in the play-by-play comments on Twitter by Resnik and HKYFN. You'd think that they were at two completely different hearings...
It is quite funny.
I wish that there was somebody who was neutral who could report.

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09-02-2009, 12:26 PM
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NHL changing their offer, will give 100% of net relo profit to the estate if team is moved via NHL bid.

Very big change.
It seems to me that the NHL is doing everything they can to block this sale to JB. Bettman's job is to improve the value for all NHL franchises and by stating he will give all the profits collected in relocation fees back to Glendale goes against that principle. So not only will the league not gain from moving the team, they will also miss out on the massive increase in revenue that would come with another team in Southern Ontario.

Also, since I haven't been following the depositions that closely, did JB's lawyers bring up the fact that the Predators were sold to Del Biaggio, who was a fraudster, in any of their questions with Bettman, Daly or Jacobs? The NHL pretty much handed the team to him even though JB was offering more money, and then it turned out that there were a ton of back-door deals made, none of which the NHL apparently were aware of.

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09-02-2009, 12:27 PM
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LOL at the HUGE difference in the play-by-play comments on Twitter by Resnik and HKYFN. You'd think that they were at two completely different hearings...
I think Resnik is the best source, while he would prefer the Coyotes to stay, he isn't emotionally invested in it and is in court for his job.

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09-02-2009, 12:29 PM
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From Resnik:

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Coyotes BK: Judge on TO: Wants more evidence of veto.
http://twitter.com/brahmresnik/status/3715006250

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09-02-2009, 12:32 PM
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What kind of first name is "Redfield" and who name thier son that?
Someone who themselves is named Redfield. The judge is a Jr.

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09-02-2009, 12:33 PM
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Yeah, judge is pushing PSE on more evidence in support of their theory that JB is being denied due to Toronto.

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09-02-2009, 12:33 PM
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Also, since I haven't been following the depositions that closely, did JB's lawyers bring up the fact that the Predators were sold to Del Biaggio, who was a fraudster, in any of their questions with Bettman, Daly or Jacobs? The NHL pretty much handed the team to him even though JB was offering more money, and then it turned out that there were a ton of back-door deals made, none of which the NHL apparently were aware of.
biaggio never HAD the team. he was a partial owner. it had more to do with the local ownership coming about and apparently leipold not liking balls way of business

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So much for the front door approach!

Let me get this straight.
Leafs have a veto re expansion
Jims offer for the Pens included a 7 year no relocation clause and if he wanted to move the team, he has to sell it back to the league.

Now I understand why he's doing what he's doing.
Sorry, but you just figured that out?

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The idea that there is a front door to Hamilton has, and continues to be obvious bull ****.
Couldn't have said it better myself.

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So not only will the league not gain from moving the team, they will also miss out on the massive increase in revenue that would come with another team in Southern Ontario.
What massive increase are you expecting that would benefit the league as a whole and not just the owner of said team?

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It seems right now the the JB camp is having difficulties on getting Baum to bite on the veto theory. It also seems that their argument hinges on it.

Remains to be seen how the rest plays out.

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What massive increase are you expecting that would benefit the league as a whole and not just the owner of said team?
Coyotes BK: JB atty cites March 07 email from Nville exex to Rodier saying moving to Ham is a problem, moving to KC isn't.

This is the reason why they're in court....
Nothing to do with Glendale.... everything to do with who gets to move them.

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