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09-02-2009, 06:01 PM
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Here are the stats of the last 3 seasons of plekanec


GP G A P
2006-07 Montreal Canadiens NHL 81 20 27 47
2007-08 Montreal Canadiens NHL 81 29 40 69
2008-09 Montreal Canadiens NHL 80 20 19 39


IMO next season he should hit 50-55 pts with MTL

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09-02-2009, 06:02 PM
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....no he's not. Plekanec was disgusting to watch last season. At least Callahan hustles.
??? Plekanec is a hard worker/

Gainey hangs up laughing at this deal.

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09-02-2009, 06:05 PM
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??? Plekanec is a hard worker/

Gainey hangs up laughing at this deal.
I agree with you for that deal

If Gainey would still talking with the Rangers I think it would be for Dubinsky

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09-02-2009, 06:29 PM
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I agree with you for that deal

If Gainey would still talking with the Rangers I think it would be for Dubinsky
Possibly.

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09-02-2009, 06:30 PM
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??? Plekanec is a hard worker/

Gainey hangs up laughing at this deal.
And Im sure thats what you would have said had some one proposed a 7.5 million dollar 55 point center for Higgins, Mcdonogh and Valentenko.

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09-02-2009, 07:16 PM
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And Im sure thats what you would have said had some one proposed a 7.5 million dollar 55 point center for Higgins, Mcdonogh and Valentenko.
It is 7,3 million dollars cap hit and Gomez since the lockout own a 0.872 PPG it is 71 pts per seasons.

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09-02-2009, 07:39 PM
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scoring 20+ goals 3 years in a row is a one year wonder?
Notice the sentence where I said he'll never come close to 69 points again? You know, the point total he's only achieved once so far?

Like I said, I'll gladly take Callahan.

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09-02-2009, 08:18 PM
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Notice the sentence where I said he'll never come close to 69 points again? You know, the point total he's only achieved once so far?

Like I said, I'll gladly take Callahan.
We'll see who puts up more points this yr.Your Callahan or Plekanec.

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09-02-2009, 08:23 PM
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Notice the sentence where I said he'll never come close to 69 points again? You know, the point total he's only achieved once so far?

Like I said, I'll gladly take Callahan.
Callahan never even made more than 40 points and you prefer to keep him than to have a player that already made 69 points ?!
Damn, I'm glad, you're not a GM ...

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09-02-2009, 08:23 PM
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Notice the sentence where I said he'll never come close to 69 points again? You know, the point total he's only achieved once so far?

Like I said, I'll gladly take Callahan.
In the last 3 seasons, Plecanek scored a a minimum of 20 goals per season and played on the PK and the PP.

You consider him useless because in your opinion he will never again achieve 69 points.
Even if he doesn't, scoring 20+ goals every year will help any team.

Callahan has had one full season in the NHL.
GP G A P +/-
81 22 18 40 +7

Plekanec last 3 seasons :
GP G A P +/-
80 20 19 39 -9
81 29 40 69 +15
81 20 27 47 +10

All Callahan has done so far is equal Plekanec WORST season.
And you would say no to a trade that got you Plekanec, Halak AND Chipchura ???

Callahan is probably not even worth Plekanec straight up.
Halak is a great #2 goalie with potential to become #1 in the next few years.
Chipchura is a checking center who captained Team Canada at the World Juniors.
He's been doing great in the AHL.

I hope you become the GM of the Rags some day !


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09-02-2009, 08:34 PM
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It is 7,3 million dollars cap hit and Gomez since the lockout own a 0.872 PPG it is 71 pts per seasons.
doesn't gomez's cap hit take a significant drop after this year and avg around 4 mill for the rest of the deal. in other words NY paid 2 of the 3 costliest years of the deal?

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09-02-2009, 08:37 PM
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Callahan is not even close to the value of Plekanec. He may have a better defensive game but Pleks has far more offensive ability. Higgins is more valuable than Callahan. Its crazy how bad Ranger fans overrate players like Dubinsky and Callahan. Hearing a Ranger fan say they'd trade only for a star in return? WTF? How do you get a star for a scrub?

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09-02-2009, 08:38 PM
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In the last 3 seasons, Plecanek scored a a minimum of 20 goals per season and played on the PK and the PP.

You consider him useless because in your opinion he will never again achieve 69 points.
Even if he doesn't, scoring 20+ goals every year will help any team.

Callahan has had one full season in the NHL.
GP G A P +/-
81 22 18 40 +7

Plekanec last 3 seasons :
GP G A P +/-
80 20 19 39 -9
81 29 40 69 +15
81 20 27 47 +10

All Callahan has done so far is equal Plekanec WORST season.
And you would say no to a trade that got you Plekanec, Halak AND Chipchura ???

Callahan is probably not even worth Plekanec straight up.
Halak is a great #2 goalie with potential to become #1 in the next few years.
Chipchura is a checking center who captained Team Canada at the World Juniors.
He's been doing great in the AHL.

I hope you become the GM of the Rags some day !

You're really judging Callahan off of his first full season in the NHL?

The proposal is an overpayment from Montréal - valuewise.
Rangers still refuse - it doesn't improve our team. What should we do with Halak anyway?

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doesn't gomez's cap hit take a significant drop after this year and avg around 4 mill for the rest of the deal. in other words NY paid 2 of the 3 costliest years of the deal?
Yes, NYR paid 2 of the 3 costliest years of the year, but the cap hit is always the same.
Next year, Gomez will win 8 millions but the cap hit will be 7,3 millions.

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doesn't gomez's cap hit take a significant drop after this year and avg around 4 mill for the rest of the deal. in other words NY paid 2 of the 3 costliest years of the deal?
Cap hit stays the same for the whole contract.

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09-02-2009, 08:40 PM
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You're really judging Callahan off of his first full season in the NHL?

The proposal is an overpayment from Montréal - valuewise.
Rangers still refuse - it doesn't improve our team. What should we do with Halak anyway?
And Ranger fans are under-valuing Pleks on one poor season?

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ewww

habs don't do this.

you really think that help our team?

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Rangers love Callahan and Dubinsky. They are both young and they want to build around them, add Staal and Girardi to that list.

If you notice those 2 plus Drury are the only F that started last yr on the team. Says something

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Rangers love Callahan and Dubinsky. They are both young and they want to build around them, add Staal and Girardi to that list.

If you notice those 2 plus Drury are the only F that started last yr on the team. Says something
If you are building a team around Callahan and Dubinsky you are in trouble!

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09-02-2009, 08:42 PM
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And Ranger fans are under-valuing Pleks on one poor season?
I don't think so, we're just in love with Callahan. And rightfully so.

It's just one of those players who has more value to the own team than to others...

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I don't think so, we're just in love with Callahan. And rightfully so.

It's just one of those players who has more value to the own team than to others...
Callahan is to the Rangers as Lapierre is to the Habs. Yet Pleks has more value than Lapierre. You need good defensively two-way players but its nothing to fall in love with...

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09-02-2009, 08:44 PM
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In the last 3 seasons, Plecanek scored a a minimum of 20 goals per season and played on the PK and the PP.

You consider him useless because in your opinion he will never again achieve 69 points.
Even if he doesn't, scoring 20+ goals every year will help any team.

Callahan has had one full season in the NHL.
GP G A P +/-
81 22 18 40 +7

Plekanec last 3 seasons :
GP G A P +/-
80 20 19 39 -9
81 29 40 69 +15
81 20 27 47 +10

All Callahan has done so far is equal Plekanec WORST season.
And you would say no to a trade that got you Plekanec, Halak AND some draft picks ?
Callahan is probably not even worth Plekanec straight up.
Halak is a great #2 goalie with potential to become #1 in the next few years.

I hope you become the GM of the Rags some day !

Callahan is 3 years younger then Plekanec. He is ahead of Plekanec's development at the same age. Callahan is also one of the most physical players in the NHL while Plekanec is not. Their is no reason to think Callahan can't keep pace with Plekanec's career while adding a physical element.

Callahan at age 23
GP G A P +/- Hits
81 22 18 40 +7 265

Plekanec at age 23
GP G A P +/- Hits
67 09 20 29 +4 37

I agree Halak is great young goalie but his value is negligible to a team that already has a starter that plays 70+ games and a good backup who is happy in his role. Halak's value is much higher to a team like Montreal with a young starter who has limitless potential but could be inconsistent at times.

It's not a terrible deal it's just not what the Rangers are looking for.

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09-02-2009, 08:48 PM
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Callahan is to the Rangers as Lapierre is to the Habs. Yet Pleks has more value than Lapierre. You need good defensively two-way players but its nothing to fall in love with...
Well, Callahan is more than a good defensively two-way player. He is the one player on the roster that brings 110%. Every shift. Hits everything in sight. Total energy. Hard to trade such a player, even if it is for a better player (whereof there are plenty, not denying that).

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Chris Higgins was producing at a higher pt/game rate than Callahan when he was his age and has more offensive upside and size compared to Callahan. I would rank Higgins > Callahan in my opinion and Higgins was behind Pleks in the Habs depth chart.

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Well, Callahan is more than a good defensively two-way player. He is the one player on the roster that brings 110%. Every shift. Hits everything in sight. Total energy. Hard to trade such a player, even if it is for a better player (whereof there are plenty, not denying that).
That just suggests that the Rangers lack good two-way players. Its similar to the Habs where Lapierre is the one player on the roster that brings it 110% every shift and hits and agitates everything in sight. Yet i wouldn't overrate him the way Rangers fans do Callahan and Dubinsky. He's certainly not untouchable at any means. Think rationally and remove the bias.

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Am i the only one on this planet to love Plekanec ?????
- He will probably never cost more than 3 M$
- 40 to 50 points on bad years
- 50 to 70 on good years
- He's really Fast , and he create alot of scoring chances .
- Defensively responsible

Why the **** does everyone want to get rid of him???

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