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09-03-2009, 07:41 PM
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Columbus gives:
Filatov
2010 1st
2010 3rd
Chimera

Columbus gets:
Thornton
Wideman

This is at least moderately interesting. They give up a potential star in Filatov, but they instantly become a team that can compete with the big shots in the West, with extensive depth up the middle and on defense. However, Columbus don't really need Thornton, or perhaps more specifically, Thornton's $7.2M contract (not that he isn't worth it, it's just that they can't afford it. Wideman would be a fantastic addition, though.


San Jose gives:
Thornton
Cheechoo
2010 2nd

San Jose gets:
Kessel
2010 2nd
Chimera

Thornton's value by himself is worth at least this package, or probably this plus another significant asset. Pavelski hasn't quite come along far enough yet to make Thornton or Marleau expendable for the Sharks, either.


Boston gives:
Kessel
Wideman

Boston gets:
Filatov
2010 1st
2010 3rd
Cheechoo

Boston ultimately has no need for Cheechoo. Swapping Cheechoo's contract for Wideman's contract makes Boston a worse team.

Ultimately, this is an unpalatable proposal for all parties involved, for one reason or another.

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09-03-2009, 07:42 PM
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Kessel's an awesome asset to acquire for Thornton but him alone is not worth Thornton. Getting Chimera would be pointless for the Sharks and a 2nd round pick doesn't make up for that. Kessel is a nice centerpiece for Thornton but the other stuff has to make sense too and it doesn't.
I'm not disagreeing with anything except that Chimera would be great for our third line. This team has absolutely no grit. Chimera brings that to the table. Both Moen and Grier left this summer, so Chimera is a worthy replacement. Cheechoo doesn't fit the third line role either, and should be traded for picks, or another third line player.

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09-03-2009, 07:46 PM
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Columbus gives:
Filatov
2010 1st
2010 3rd
Chimera

Columbus gets:
Thornton
Wideman

This is at least moderately interesting. They give up a potential star in Filatov, but they instantly become a team that can compete with the big shots in the West, with extensive depth up the middle and on defense. However, Columbus don't really need Thornton, or perhaps more specifically, Thornton's $7.2M contract (not that he isn't worth it, it's just that they can't afford it. Wideman would be a fantastic addition, though.


San Jose gives:
Thornton
Cheechoo
2010 2nd

San Jose gets:
Kessel
2010 2nd
Chimera

Thornton's value by himself is worth at least this package, or probably this plus another significant asset. Pavelski hasn't quite come along far enough yet to make Thornton or Marleau expendable for the Sharks, either.


Boston gives:
Kessel
Wideman

Boston gets:
Filatov
2010 1st
2010 3rd
Cheechoo

Boston ultimately has no need for Cheechoo. Swapping Cheechoo's contract for Wideman's contract makes Boston a worse team.

Ultimately, this is an unpalatable proposal for all parties involved, for one reason or another.
SJ gives:
Thornton

Gets:
Kessel
2nd round pick 10
Chimera

This replenishes the youth in San Jose, and fixes their dreaded cap problems.


CBJ Gives
Filatov
Chimera
1rst round pick 10
2nd round pick 10
3rd round pick 10

Gets:
Thornton
Put Thornton and Nash together, and Columbus is already a Cup Contender.

BOS gives:
Kessel

Gets:
Filatov
1rst round pick 10
3rd round pick 10
BOS gets Filatov, and a First in exchange for Kessel.

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09-03-2009, 07:48 PM
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SJ gives:
Thornton

Gets:
Kessel
2nd round pick 10
Chimera

This replenishes the youth in San Jose, and fixes their dreaded cap problems.


CBJ Gives
Filatov
Chimera
1rst round pick 10
2nd round pick 10
3rd round pick 10

Gets:
Thornton
Put Thornton and Nash together, and Columbus is already a Cup Contender.

BOS gives:
Kessel

Gets:
Filatov
1rst round pick 10
3rd round pick 10
BOS gets Filatov, and a First in exchange for Kessel.
SJ doesnt have cap problems anymore.

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09-03-2009, 07:49 PM
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I'm not disagreeing with anything except that Chimera would be great for our third line. This team has absolutely no grit. Chimera brings that to the table. Both Moen and Grier left this summer, so Chimera is a worthy replacement. Cheechoo doesn't fit the third line role either, and should be traded for picks, or another third line player.
Nothing's wrong with wanting grit on the 3rd line. However, you don't trade a player of Thornton's caliber for players like Chimera who is a tweener at best and a 3rd liner generally w/o any room to improve. All assets coming back for Thornton need to be guys who are young, cheap, have at the very least raw offensive skills, and have room to improve.

I wouldn't be against acquiring Chimera but not as a part of a Thornton package. In this scenario, I would be looking for Kessel, one of Columbus' expendable young assets (if they have any), and a 1st rounder that would be top ten protected (as in the Sharks would be prevented from getting a top 10 pick or delay it a year or whatever).

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09-03-2009, 07:50 PM
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CBJ Gives
Filatov
Chimera
1rst round pick 10
2nd round pick 10
3rd round pick 10

Gets:
Thornton
Put Thornton and Nash together, and Columbus is already a Cup Contender.
If Columbus doesn't get Wideman then **** that. Can't take on a bunch of salary and have no draft picks for next year without filling our #1 problem, a top pairing defenseman that can score and move the puck. Adding Joe Thornton doesn't make Columbus a cup contender. It probably doesn't even win us the division. To give up that much stuff a defenseman must come back.

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09-03-2009, 07:53 PM
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How does Boston not agree to this? If they don't want Filatov, who the hell do they want?
Losing Kessel and Wideman for a prospect and picks doesn't help them win the Cup.

Filatov isn't a sure thing. He could very well end up like Chistov or Saprykin. I know this is HF, but seriously, I'm amazed at how mmany people bank on potential around here...

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09-03-2009, 07:56 PM
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SJ doesnt have cap problems anymore.
Thornton (7.2)
Boyle (6.67)
Marleau (6.3)
Nabokov (5.3)
Michalek (4.33)
Clowe (3.5)
Cheechoo (3)
Blake (3.5)
Vlasic (3.1)
42.9 million for 9 players. That leaves 13.9 million for 13-14 more players (Averages to about 1 million per player). To top it off, Setoguchi and Pavelski are going to be RFA's next year, and we can no longer rely on their 1.2/1.6 million dollar contracts within our top 6. We then have to get rid of either Thornton and/or Marleau to afford to keep our younger core.

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09-03-2009, 07:59 PM
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Thornton (7.2)
Boyle (6.67)
Marleau (6.3)
Nabokov (5.3)
Michalek (4.33)
Clowe (3.5)
Cheechoo (3)
Blake (3.5)
Vlasic (3.1)
42.9 million for 9 players. That leaves 13.9 million for 13-14 more players (Averages to about 1 million per player). To top it off, Setoguchi and Pavelski are going to be RFA's next year, and we can no longer rely on their 1.2/1.6 million dollar contracts within our top 6. We then have to get rid of either Thornton and/or Marleau to afford to keep our younger core.
So we dump the #1 point producer on the team?

Make no mistake about it, this team makes the playoffs every year because of Thornton. We could squeek in without him, probably.

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09-03-2009, 08:07 PM
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So we dump the #1 point producer on the team?

Make no mistake about it, this team makes the playoffs every year because of Thornton. We could squeek in without him, probably.
So you don't think that Michalek-Marleau-Kessel-Clowe-Pavelski-Setoguchi will get you to the playoffs? Look at the Chicago Blackhawks

Marian Hossa-Patrick Sharp-Patrick Kane-Toews-Kris Versteeg-Dustin Byfuglien, and they made Confrence Finals. The Blueline looks stronger in San Jose as well, not to mention goaltending, yet Blackhawks made it farther than the Sharks.

Marleau-Hossa
Kessel-Toews
Setoguchi-Kane
Clowe-Sharp
Pavelski-Byfuglien
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09-03-2009, 08:10 PM
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If the Jackets weren't adding an absurd amount of salary it'd be an interesting thought. The only way I'd consider trading Filatov were if it made the team an immediate power in the West.

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So you don't think that Michalek-Marleau-Kessel-Clowe-Pavelski-Setoguchi will get you to the playoffs? Look at the Chicago Blackhawks

Marian Hossa-Patrick Sharp-Patrick Kane-Dave Bolland-Kris Versteeg-Dustin Byfuglien, and they made Confrence Finals. The Blueline looks stronger in San Jose as well, not to mention goaltending, yet Blackhawks made it farther than the Sharks.
The Sharks can get to the playoffs as a 5-8 seed w/o Thornton, imo. Just to nitpick, I'd put Michalek on the 2nd line and Clowe on the 1st. Better distribution of speed.

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