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09-06-2009, 07:38 PM
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Ah, hockey season is coming back! We haven't had a Ducks-Kings argument in months!

Calder's not a bad bottom-six guy. He's not afraid to fight for the puck along the boards or in the corners. Although I've seen him take some real boneheaded penalties, we could do without that. Just as long as he's not expected to score 20-30 goals. Its just a tryout, lets not freak out here.

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Remember a few years ago when the ABC (Arnason, Bell, Calder) line was dominant in Chicago?
LOL, yeah, I totally remember when the Hawks entire offense basically consisted of 3 mediocre 40-50 point players.



'Dominant' isn't exactly the word I would use.


At lease those crappy teams were able to contribute to their current successful rebuild in some way.

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I guess you missed the humor... I hope you Duckies can beat San Jose and Detroit in the playoffs in 2010.
Good luck vs Colorado and Phoenix to see who won't be at the cellar of the west this year...

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LA was mismanaged for some time and the McNall situation didn't help matters. They are on the right track now and it should be a fun battle over the next few years.
La was mismanaged hu? Disney owned the ducks until a few years ago and didn't care how the team did so that arguement is pointless when comparing the teams. Anaheim has way more accomplishments then LA in a fraction of the time. You saying Anaheim is done with out pronged just proves that t
you're just looking for anyway to bash the ducks. Even most king fans aren't dumb enough to compare the teams accomplishments

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09-06-2009, 11:01 PM
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La was mismanaged hu? Disney owned the ducks until a few years ago and didn't care how the team did so that arguement is pointless when comparing the teams. Anaheim has way more accomplishments then LA in a fraction of the time. You saying Anaheim is done with out pronged just proves that t
you're just looking for anyway to bash the ducks. Even most king fans aren't dumb enough to compare the teams accomplishments
Mcnall set the Kings back atleast 10 years. The Ducks D is pretty mediocre without Pronger and I don't see a guy in their system capable of being a top pairing defenseman. The rivalry should be fun over the next few years....

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Good luck vs Colorado and Phoenix to see who won't be at the cellar of the west this year...
LA will not be in the cellar lol.

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09-07-2009, 04:08 AM
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Mcnall set the Kings back atleast 10 years. The Ducks D is pretty mediocre without Pronger and I don't see a guy in their system capable of being a top pairing defenseman. The rivalry should be fun over the next few years....
Disney owned the ducks for over ten years so once again.... That argument is pointless.

Yes the defense took a major step back this offseason but our offense will aslo be much better. Murray found a way to rebuild and stay competitve. I imagine most kings fans wish their gm could have done the same thing. Just another thing to be envious about the ducks again. You saying that since the duckS defense should be worse and now the rivalry should be better just proves how much better the ducks have been than the kings. Like other non duck fans have said.. Your name is very fitting. Congrats for giving kings fans a bad rep..

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LA will not be in the cellar lol.
They will be closer than the ducks. I don't think the kings will finish last in the west but I don't think they manage any better than tenth. He'll maybe eventually you will root against the kings in the last week of the season so the kings draft pick will be better. Then we will hear the famous "we have a bright future with all this young talent."

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09-07-2009, 10:23 AM
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Disney owned the ducks for over ten years so once again.... That argument is pointless.

Yes the defense took a major step back this offseason but our offense will aslo be much better. Murray found a way to rebuild and stay competitve. I imagine most kings fans wish their gm could have done the same thing. Just another thing to be envious about the ducks again. You saying that since the duckS defense should be worse and now the rivalry should be better just proves how much better the ducks have been than the kings. Like other non duck fans have said.. Your name is very fitting. Congrats for giving kings fans a bad rep..
It's easier to rebuild and stay competitive when you don't draft your own talent. 6 holes on D all filled outside of the organization= long term problem. Most of the better teams draft their own talent which outside of the "big 3" the Ducks did not.


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They will be closer than the ducks. I don't think the kings will finish last in the west but I don't think they manage any better than tenth. He'll maybe eventually you will root against the kings in the last week of the season so the kings draft pick will be better. Then we will hear the famous "we have a bright future with all this young talent."
Yup, LA has no future yet nearly made the playoffs as the youngest team, after a coaching change and without their captain because he was worried about his premature son. All while riding a rookie goalie, rookie defenseman, and learning a new system. LA will make the playoffs this season now lock this and the other Kings vs Ducks threads up.


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09-07-2009, 10:53 AM
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It's easier to rebuild and stay competitive when you don't draft your own talent. 6 holes on D all filled outside of the organization= long term problem. Most of the better teams draft their own talent which outside of the "big 3" the Ducks did not.
-We didn't draft Sami Pahlsson but developed him into being worth a young top-4 dman in Wisniewski

-We didn't draft Travis Moen but developed him into being worth a top-6 prospect in Bonino

-We didn't draft Dustin Penner but developed him into being worth Jake Gardiner, Nicolas Deschamps, Eric O'Dell and Justin Schultz.

-Kunitz from waivers to Whitney, O'Brien from 250th overall to 16th overall, Beauchemin from fringe to top pairing, Giguere from fringe to a Cup and Conn Smythe etc.

Having poor coaching that is unable to develop players and put them into roles where they can succeed is far more a long term problem than getting players from the outside.

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09-07-2009, 12:31 PM
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-We didn't draft Sami Pahlsson but developed him into being worth a young top-4 dman in Wisniewski

-We didn't draft Travis Moen but developed him into being worth a top-6 prospect in Bonino

-We didn't draft Dustin Penner but developed him into being worth Jake Gardiner, Nicolas Deschamps, Eric O'Dell and Justin Schultz.

-Kunitz from waivers to Whitney, O'Brien from 250th overall to 16th overall, Beauchemin from fringe to top pairing, Giguere from fringe to a Cup and Conn Smythe etc.

Having poor coaching that is unable to develop players and put them into roles where they can succeed is far more a long term problem than getting players from the outside.
-James Wisniewski was never a top 4 defenseman in Chicago.

-Travis Moen is not worth a top-6 prospect. (Wilson is a moron).

-Dustin Penner is not worth Jake Gardiner, Dicolas Deschamps, Eric O'Dell and Justin Schultz. (Lowe is a moron).

-The Ducks originally waived Kunitz. Also, it was Kunitz and Tangradi for Whitney.

-TB was idiotic to trade a 1st for O'Brien. However, that 1st never turned into any worthwhile.

-Beauchemin was a great pickup.

-Francois Allaire developed Giguere.

However, I agree with you that getting players from the outside works just fine.

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Yup the Ducks have made some good moves to develop outsiders. I love what DL has done drafting and developing. LA had nothing to look forward to before DL took over and now they're amongst the most promising teams in the league. The rivalry should be fun....

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Yup the Ducks have made some good moves to develop outsiders. I love what DL has done drafting and developing. LA had nothing to look forward to before DL took over and now they're amongst the most promising teams in the league. The rivalry should be fun....
LA has a bright future.

Will they make the playoffs this year? It's going to be tough.

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As a Kings fan I hate to say this but regardless of method (build through the draft, use homegrown assets and picks to get better players, a combination of both) the Ducks have achieved FAR more in their (relatively) young existence than the Kings have in over 40 years. I see these Duck fans in here and I want to mouth off and talk about Mickey Mouse and the mascot catching on fire or tell them they'll suck without Pronger but all they have to say is "Stanley Cup" and the argument is over. This season Ducks fans are wondering if they are still a true contender, if they are still among the Western Conference elite. We Kings fans are hoping and praying we can sneak up and grab the last playoff spot. Anyone who fails to acknowledge the sheer superiority (including the current rosters) of Anaheim over LA in overall success has no objectivity and looks like a fool.
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As a Kings fan I hate to say this but regardless of method (build through the draft, use homegrown assets and picks to get better players, a combination of both) the Ducks have achieved FAR more in their (relatively) young existence than the Kings have in over 40 years. I see these Duck fans in here and I want to mouth off and talk about Mickey Mouse and the mascot catching on fire or tell them they'll suck without Pronger but all they have to say is "Stanley Cup" and the argument is over. This season Ducks fans are wondering if they are still a true contender, if they are still among the Western Conference elite. We Kings fans are hoping and praying we can sneak up and grab the last playoff spot. Anyone who fails to acknowledge the sheer superiority (including the current rosters) of Anaheim over LA in overall success has no objectivity and looks like a fool.
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As a Kings fan I hate to say this but regardless of method (build through the draft, use homegrown assets and picks to get better players, a combination of both) the Ducks have achieved FAR more in their (relatively) young existence than the Kings have in over 40 years. I see these Duck fans in here and I want to mouth off and talk about Mickey Mouse and the mascot catching on fire or tell them they'll suck without Pronger but all they have to say is "Stanley Cup" and the argument is over. This season Ducks fans are wondering if they are still a true contender, if they are still among the Western Conference elite. We Kings fans are hoping and praying we can sneak up and grab the last playoff spot. Anyone who fails to acknowledge the sheer superiority (including the current rosters) of Anaheim over LA in overall success has no objectivity and looks like a fool.
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And anyone who doesn't enjoy a little trash talk is not a man.

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And anyone who doesn't enjoy a little trash talk is not a man.
Spot on.

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Trash talk is good when you've accomplished something. Ever see a football player score a touchdown, spike the ball and thump his chest and trash talk even though his team his losing by 50? He looks like a real idiot doesn't he? That's what you guys are doing, except we haven't scored a touchdown in 8 years so you look even more ridiculous.
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Trash talk is good when you've accomplished something. Ever see a football player score a touchdown, spike the ball and thump his chest and trash talk even though his team his losing by 50? He looks like a real idiot doesn't he? That's what you guys are doing, except we haven't scored a touchdown in 8 years so you look even more ridiculous.
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The 2003 draft is really the big separation between the two franchises. The Ducks hit a grand slam, and the Kings dropped their pants and grabbed their ankles.

Lombardi came in and basically turned out the Kings as though they were an expansion team, tearing down the scouting staff, bringing in fillers and bridge players, and re-assessing the talent base instead of making big splashes.

The two teams were heading in opposite directions for a good seven years, with things looking to level out in the very near future. Once Selanne, Koivu and Niedermayer retire, the Ducks top offensive talent will still be superior, but the rest of their depth chart will be dramatically inferior to Los Angeles.

As far as Calder goes, he is a classic "tweener". His best asset is his board play, but you only see results when he plays with offensively talented players. Conversely, he simply doesn't produce enough to justify an offensive role.

He isn't very strong in his own zone, doesn't kill penalites, and just isn't smart enough to play on a checking line. He's just an average player, and you can always do better than a Kyle Calder when you are looking for specialists/role players on a team that has a real chance to compete.

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It's easier to rebuild and stay competitive when you don't draft your own talent. 6 holes on D all filled outside of the organization= long term problem. Most of the better teams draft their own talent which outside of the "big 3" the Ducks did not.
Wow... more excuses... Well maybe the Kings should try to do what the Ducks do, because apparently what they've been doing the last 40 years hasn't worked...

Fortunately for you, there are may smart Kings fans here that know what their talking about, and choose their words more wisely than you do. Maynard hit the nail right on the head in his posts. Trash talking is fun and all, but be realistic when doing it. Duck fans didn't ever trash the name "Kings" when we were still the "mighty ducks" because they knew that would have been stupid and idiotic. Like Maynard said, trash talking is entertaining, but there needs to be some logic to it as well.

You asking for the thread to be closed just shows how wrong you are on this argument, and you're finally starting to realize it.

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Wow... more excuses... Well maybe the Kings should try to do what the Ducks do, because apparently what they've been doing the last 40 years hasn't worked...

Fortunately for you, there are may smart Kings fans here that know what their talking about, and choose their words more wisely than you do. Maynard hit the nail right on the head in his posts. Trash talking is fun and all, but be realistic when doing it. Duck fans didn't ever trash the name "Kings" when we were still the "mighty ducks" because they knew that would have been stupid and idiotic. Like Maynard said, trash talking is entertaining, but there needs to be some logic to it as well.

You asking for the thread to be closed just shows how wrong you are on this argument, and you're finally starting to realize it.
LOL, I know a ton about the game as I've been around hockey for 22 years. I like to trash talk a little and Ducks fans are easy because most don't know squat. I've been to more Ducks games than Kings and the lack of hockey knowledge amongst the crowd was the most noticeable thing.


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-James Wisniewski was never a top 4 defenseman in Chicago.

-Travis Moen is not worth a top-6 prospect. (Wilson is a moron).

-Dustin Penner is not worth Jake Gardiner, Dicolas Deschamps, Eric O'Dell and Justin Schultz. (Lowe is a moron).

-The Ducks originally waived Kunitz. Also, it was Kunitz and Tangradi for Whitney.

-TB was idiotic to trade a 1st for O'Brien. However, that 1st never turned into any worthwhile.

-Beauchemin was a great pickup.

-Francois Allaire developed Giguere.

However, I agree with you that getting players from the outside works just fine.
tangradi came out of that first, which helped get Whitney.

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tangradi came out of that first, which helped get Whitney.
Tangradi was the second rounder
MacMillan was the first rounder

In any case, far too soon to judge.

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