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09-05-2009, 06:36 AM
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Look at me I'm a body builder who is 6'2 and weighs 260 lbs of pure muscle. That means I'm bigger and stronger then everyone else.


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09-05-2009, 06:43 AM
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http://www.montrealgazette.com/sport...436/story.html

Sorry if it has been posted already. Article about Pacioretty and the rookie camp coming up.



For those who wondered why he's only at 192 pounds
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Precisely the same article was written on Price before last season. And the only thing Price hit was... Club Opera.

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09-05-2009, 06:46 AM
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Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!

HabsNewGeneration and Habs4Life are the winners !

All I care is that Pacioretty seem to have taken training VERY seriously, and that while he was already skating fast, I can't wait to see him flying on the ice...

Damn we'll have a fast team...

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09-05-2009, 06:47 AM
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http://www.montrealgazette.com/sport...436/story.html

Sorry if it has been posted already. Article about Pacioretty and the rookie camp coming up.



For those who wondered why he's only at 192 pounds
I am not really sold on training like that as a help. Carey Price trimmed way down last summer and was worse last year than he was in 2007-08 season. It was just too much for the body. A rigious summer training program, then a grueling training camp, then being #1 for first time in career. Didn't seem like he had anything left by mid-season.

A few years ago, was first heard baseball players comment on heavy training in off season could be negative. Just burnt out. A good off season program should be done in moderation. Careful of drastic change in weight

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09-05-2009, 07:18 AM
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192 @ 6ft2?

I'm a bodybuilder and 190lbs at 5ft8.

And im not even that big at all

at 6ft2, you should be 210, at least, with low bodyfat.. come on.
Yeah, and I bet you can skate like the wind too?

He's probably going to a be a lot fast than he was last year. He's going to be like a ****ing train going for loose pucks.

Putting on too much muscle too fast would make him a lot slower. He's still 20, so he still has some time to add to that frame.

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09-05-2009, 07:19 AM
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Alex Kovalev started at 6'1, 189lbs and in 4-5 years he bulked up to 210lbs. The same could go for Pacioretty.

Pacioretty's problem is not his strength or size, but where to be on the ice at what time. Pacioretty usually falls out of place on the ice and as a result, makes him lose a lot of potential scoring opportunities.

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09-05-2009, 08:16 AM
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09-05-2009, 08:22 AM
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That's really good news,Max Pac is going to fly out there,wish I only had 6% body fat

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09-05-2009, 08:25 AM
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At that young age 192 is a good weight for 6'2. He'll fill out as he goes but I don't think anyone wants to see a speedy patches turn into a lumbering Latendresse. Weight is handy for some things on the ice but there is a reason that hockey isn't known for widespread steroid abuse. You need cardio, agility and explosiveness to play an offensive role in the NHL and extra weight (even muscle) can hamper all three (unless your a freak like Kovalchuk).

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09-05-2009, 08:33 AM
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lol good ole hockey stats. No way he is 6%.


No you weren't. Unless you competed, in which case you might have been that low on the day of the competition. And even then, I still doubt it. Pro bodybuilders go on stage at around 6-8%
Yeah....maybe so...I did the test one time only...it was one of those water displacement deals....I still have no clue what it was all about, and I could care less about those measurements personally. I did look like saran wrap on a slab of top sirloin though....so either way, I was extremely lean, and looked like I could compete anytime.

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09-05-2009, 08:38 AM
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Yeah....maybe so...I did the test one time only...it was one of those water displacement deals....I still have no clue what it was all about, and I could care less about those measurements personally. I did look like saran wrap on a slab of top sirloin though....so either way, I was extremely lean.
Pro body builders go on stage at lower than 6-8%.

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09-05-2009, 08:40 AM
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That's irrelevant. There are guys at 170lbs that look 190ish. Some at 200lbs that look 180lbs.

A lot of your strength will come from your diet. Combine both the correct training and diet will make you optimize it.

This idea that size and weight is what measures power and strength is extremely foolish.
You don't have a clue what you're talking about.

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09-05-2009, 09:58 AM
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Knock yourself out buddy!..Get an Italian Poutine and a Pizza before too!
Make sure to eat all that 30min before sleeping.
I burn more fat in my sleep than you do on a treadmill.

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09-05-2009, 10:19 AM
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Just trying to understand...

192 pounds at 6% fat:
  • 181 pounds at 0% fat;
  • 202 pounds at 12% fat.
Am I right?

Also, it is easier to go from 6% fat to 12% fat then the reverse?

So he is going to be 192 pounds and have the same muscles performance as a 208 pounds (at 15%) so basically stronger with less weight to transport...
The only thing he won't have is the kinetic energy of a player with 15% body fat?

To resume, he is in super shape and he should skate and move much faster. Am I right?
At his age, can he still build muscular mass?
Don't bother explaining that to HFboards or hockey fans for that matter. 230 lbs of fat in Latendresse>192 lbs of lean mass in Pacioretty.That's how hockey fans see it..

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09-05-2009, 10:30 AM
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Don't bother explaining that to HFboards or hockey fans for that matter. 230 lbs of fat in Latendresse>192 lbs of lean mass in Pacioretty.That's how hockey fans see it..
I get your point...but thing is....it's still easier to bounce a guy that weighs almost 40lbs less, no matter how good a shape they are.

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09-05-2009, 10:38 AM
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192 @ 6ft2?

I'm a bodybuilder and 190lbs at 5ft8.

And im not even that big at all

at 6ft2, you should be 210, at least, with low bodyfat.. come on.
Yep I saw the same.

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I have to agree....but....he is still a kid, so his body hasn't matured yet.

In my prime (29 years old), I was 5'10 1/2, 192lbs.....approx. 5% body fat. And strong, strong, strong .

6'2" and 192 is way too slight, IMO....but I bet if he "normalizes" his diet, he'll become fuller, bigger and heavier...but still be lean and explosive.
What? He's 20, soon 21. He's a man. Have a bit respect here. At 21 your body is done maturing, the only thing that can change it is how you train.

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09-05-2009, 10:40 AM
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What happens when you have 100% of body fat?

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Who said Higgins had the lowest fat % last year? On the contrary, as I recall, he was measured near the highest fat % on the team, to which Higgins replied that the measurements must be wrong because "I can't be that fat".

Higgins can be trusted on these things. He also said he could score 40.
IIRC, he said it himself.

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09-05-2009, 10:51 AM
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What happens when you have 100% of body fat?
you change your name to Latendresse

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09-05-2009, 11:01 AM
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I get your point...but thing is....it's still easier to bounce a guy that weighs almost 40lbs less, no matter how good a shape they are.
Yes, but a faster player will hit a lot harder (not the 40 lbs difference, but the 10-15) and create more turnovers, be more dangerous on counterattacks and have a lot more stamina, which is a LOT, LOT more important, than being a bit better at protecting the puck and being a bit tougher to move around the net.

Unless, those are your best attributes (and possibly only *ahem* Byfuglien *ahem*), which isn't the case for Pacioretty.

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09-05-2009, 11:40 AM
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Heres my opinion:

First of all professional bodybuilders usually go into competition around 3% bodyfat. This is what Jay Cutler went into the Olympia with when he won it a couple of years ago.

Secondly MaxPac is I think a bit on the lean side for his height. However, he is also still young and it will take a couple years for him to fill out with intensive training and a good schedule. Is MaxPac really 6"2 anyway? Don't they usually over exaggerate their stats for whatever reason?

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09-05-2009, 11:55 AM
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You don't have a clue what you're talking about.
Yes, I do.
Tell me where did you do your water displacement test??..because you know you need a special tank for it to be accurate right.

It's not because you want him to be at 200-210lbs that he'll perform better. Nor does it mean he'll be faster, quicker or stronger.

You have a small adaptation period when you cut a lot of weight and diet. But I'm on a diet that made me drop my calorie intake from 4200 to 2500 and I have more energy, stamina, need less recovery time and less sleep. I was already in shape so it's not like I was a fat ass eating junk all the time.
MaxPac at 192lbs will look good especially if he truly was at 14% body fat last year.


But no you're right, the bigger, the better, the stronger..sure buddy, sure.


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09-05-2009, 12:03 PM
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I get your point...but thing is....it's still easier to bounce a guy that weighs almost 40lbs less, no matter how good a shape they are.
That depends on balance and leg strength, not weight.

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09-05-2009, 01:00 PM
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That depends on balance and leg strength, not weight.
It's a mix of the three of them. A player doesn't always have his two skates jammed into the ice, ready to absorb a check. When in movement, inertia plays a huge role.

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It's a mix of the three of them. A player doesn't always have his two skates jammed into the ice, ready to absorb a check. When in movement, inertia plays a huge role.
Agreed, but balance isn't always measured when you have your two skates jammed into the ice. It's also about when you're in movement.

A heavier guy should be harder to move, that much is normal. But that doesn't mean a smaller guy will necessarily be easier to knock down.

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