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09-05-2009, 11:23 AM
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Who Should Run the New Arena/ The Phantom Menace

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/sport...209/story.html

It appears the Katz Group is about to get very aggressive.

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09-05-2009, 11:24 AM
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Hmmm. I like aggressive...

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It appears the Katz Group is about to get very aggressive.
Go Katz Go!

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Interesting that Katz has bought out Don Metz and Aquila Productions which handled all the Oilers multi media for years.

I'm guessing rumours of Katz buying 1260 might soon come to pass as well as evidenced by Stauffer rejoining the Team.

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I expect Katz to settle for nothing less than full control. That and alot of public money.

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Interesting that Katz has bought out Don Metz and Aquila Productions which handled all the Oilers multi media for years.

I'm guessing rumours of Katz buying 1260 might soon come to pass as well as evidenced by Stauffer rejoining the Team.

i still think northlands will be used as a conduit for govt cash for the new building.

i like the way katz thinks though....on the level of an AEG who are mammoth..

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Without government subsidies, Northlands doesn't have a leg to stand on.

Let's make this a private venture, leave taxpayer money out of it, and let the rightful owners run the show.

It still boggles my mind that Northlands is allowed to run with heavy government subsidies without any objection, but any talk of public funds going into a project like this is heresay.

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Interesting that Katz has bought out Don Metz and Aquila Productions which handled all the Oilers multi media for years.

I'm guessing rumours of Katz buying 1260 might soon come to pass as well as evidenced by Stauffer rejoining the Team.
Really?!? Wow. Is the Oilers-CHED contract expiring soon?

I feel like I've been hiding under a rock...

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Really?!? Wow. Is the Oilers-CHED contract expiring soon?

I feel like I've been hiding under a rock...
He's going to be on both stations.

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He's taking over the city!

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not on my watch.

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Interesting that Katz has bought out Don Metz and Aquila Productions which handled all the Oilers multi media for years.

I'm guessing rumours of Katz buying 1260 might soon come to pass as well as evidenced by Stauffer rejoining the Team.
I guess that is a question guy could answer

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I guess that is a question guy could answer
Or Lowetide.

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1260 better not get the Oilers Radio rights.....they cant transmit much outside of 100km around edmonton. Would be a brutal move for the Oilers!

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I was wondering about this strikeback from Northlands a couple of days ago then I read the Lamphier piece today.

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/sport...070/story.html

http://www.edmontonsun.com/news/edmo.../10741746.html

This is going to be an interesting brew and my quick synopsis is that any sniping between Northlands and Katz is going to be harmful to both of the parties and of course to the prospects of a new arena.

I'm thinking that both groups will have a lot of trouble staying above the belt for long.

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Or Lowetide.

how would lowetide know?

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I was wondering about this strikeback from Northlands a couple of days ago then I read the Lamphier piece today.

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/sport...070/story.html

http://www.edmontonsun.com/news/edmo.../10741746.html

This is going to be an interesting brew and my quick synopsis is that any sniping between Northlands and Katz is going to be harmful to both of the parties and of course to the prospects of a new arena.

I'm thinking that both groups will have a lot of trouble staying above the belt for long.
It'll be interesting to see how the Katz Group tries to gain public money while spurning a quasi public entity like Northlands.

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It'll be interesting to see how the Katz Group tries to gain public money while spurning a quasi public entity like Northlands.
Yep. I've been wondering about this since I read the Northlands quotes on Thursday.

Lamphier I should note is putting a subscribed spin on it. We don't know for certain why Northlands is making these statements.

A few reasons off the top of my head:

1) Merely responding to the recently released results that they managed top 10 world gate performance.

2) Responding directly to Katz percieved or known threat.

3)Courting and maintaining public opinion proactively.

But regardless of their rationale Northlands making so much play of the Rexall facilities success right now is going to be a groaner for Katz group as its precisely the argument people have been able to use against the need for a new arena and occurring at the exact wrong time..

This is going to be comic relief before its done.

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Yep. I've been wondering about this since I read the Northlands quotes on Thursday.

Lamphier I should note is putting a subscribed spin on it. We don't know for certain why Northlands is making these statements.

A few reasons off the top of my head:

1) Just responding to the released results that they managed top 10 world gate performance.

2) Responding directly to Katz percieved or known threat.

3)Courting and maintaining public opinion proactively.

But regardless of their rationale Northlands making so much play of the Rexall facilities success right now is going to be a groaner for Katz group as its precisely the argument people have been able to use against the need for a new arena and occurring at the exact wrong time..

This is going to be comic relief before its done.
Yeah, been wondering why the "Edmonton doesn't need a new arena" brigade hasn't been around to jump on that report.

Must be a long weekend.

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Yeah, been wondering why the "Edmonton doesn't need a new arena" brigade hasn't been around to jump on that report.

Must be a long weekend.
I can fill in if you want.

j/k

Like I said a couple years ago timing is key to price of this thing and I'm fine with a build now. Right now. When costs are lower.

But of course the people that suggested we should get all the planning out of the way and maybe by then costs will be lower were right as well.

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1260 better not get the Oilers Radio rights.....they cant transmit much outside of 100km around edmonton. Would be a brutal move for the Oilers!
Does it really matter with the internet in place?

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how would lowetide know?
from my understanding, he's been in the radio business at various points in his life, and might even still be in the biz (although i'm not sure about that)

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from my understanding, he's been in the radio business at various points in his life, and might even still be in the biz (although i'm not sure about that)

it is tough imagining lowetide with a job--al;ways viewed him as the guy on white avenue holding the sign "the end is nigh"

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It appears the Katz Group is about to get very aggressive.
Interesting read. It could simply be a case of Katz bringing in other parties to gain some sort of "negotiation" leverage with Northlands.

Here's my speculation:

a) if Northlands is in, government money (or influence) is a part of the the development
b) if Northlands is out, private funds are developing the large majority of the complex

When you start to hear this kind of story, I start to wonder if Katz is going to fund the project privately with different partners - i.e. hotel development, casino development, arena operations, retail development, etc.

Remember Laforge's press conference: "most cities want to own the arenas".

I am wondering if Katz wants to go it privately but the City is running interference? If you're a private developer and can raise the cash, why do you want the city involved? I really wonder how hard it is to raise cash with an anchor tenant like the Oilers and Katz? It will be 5 years down the road, so the recession will be distant history. Is it that hard to find funds, or is there more to the story - i.e. the City wants involvement without providing funds (tax dollars)?

How hard is it really to find 4 partners - i.e. casino, hotel, condo, and retail - and a bank? Look at the development that has been going on in Alberta for the last 5 years? Look at the per capita income. A billion is pretty small in regards to that. What kind of cash do you need before a banker ponies up the rest: $400,000,000? That doesn't sound impossible with partners and $100,000,000 seed money. It doesn't sound that hard at all. Didn't Pittsburgh find a single casino to front their $350M development? What does Pittsburgh have on Edmonton as an investment? Nothing.

It makes me wonder if there's something more to the story.

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Does it really matter with the internet in place?
I'd suggest most people (within Alberta) listening to games are doing so in their vehicles. If you have internet access, a TV can't be far away.

As for signal power, they'd likely continue to use the Oiler Radio Network, and it won't make a difference if the signal is originating from CHED or CFRN. There are 11 stations in Alberta which the games are re-broadcast on so you don't have to pick up the CHED or 'RN. That footprint is bigger than CHEDs alone.

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