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09-28-2009, 12:51 AM
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Jannik Hansen has a broken hand:
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WHAAT. from what?!

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WHAAT. from what?!
his fight with Brule. Damn.

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Not again.

I really, really hope that it isn't too bad and that there's a spot waiting for him when he's well again.

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09-28-2009, 03:01 AM
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This is a bigger loss for the Canucks than people realize. Hansen is really our 10th forward and our best 4th liner. It really weakens the 4th line not to have him. And the 4th line does matter.

Here's why:

I went to behindthenet and reviewed each team's forwards by even strength minutes played based on a minimum # of games played (40). After reviewing each team, it quickly became apparent that almost every team plays 9 forwards 10 or more minutes, with the rest (3 or more) of the forwards between 7 and 10 minutes per game - these remaining players are clearly the 4th liners. Other revealing data:

My guesstimate is that the avg 4th line is -1 per 60. Every 60 minutes they play, they score one less goal than they get scored on.
(Only 1 complete 4th line (Chicago - Eager Fraser Burrish) was comfortably in positive territory ~+ 0.4)).

This also means that 4th lines DO NOT always play against other 4th lines because if that were the case they wouldn't almost all be negative.

The differential between the avg 4th line and Chicago was ~ 15 goals over the course of a season (650 minutes * 1.4 goals per 60 / 60), which is very substantial. By the way, Chicago's 4th line was awful the previous year although it was the Adams (Craig and Kevyn) on the line instead of Fraser (based on minutes played - reality could be otherwise...).

Ccontrary to my expectations, Johnson and Hordichuk were among the better 4th lines as their +/- wasn't too bad and they were within the avg. ballpark in pts/60. Though as pointed out in another post of mine, their shots on goal for and against were brutal last year.

Jannick Hansen is a very interesting case. His minutes played indicate a guy who played 3rd to 4th line minutes (10.55). His pts per 60 (1.98) and +/- (+0.4) would have ranked him as one of the best 4th liners in the league. From this pre-season, its easy to see why: tremendous skater, fights for the puck, smart player - good positionally and very aware on the ice, responsible defensively and very good on the pk. Had he not been injured, he definitely makes a strong case for being the 10th forward on the team (and not the 13th). Potentially, his impact on that line could be like Fraser on Chicago's 4th line.

Rypien's #s weren't very good but he only played 12 games so the sample size is too small. Glass looked good in pre-season but 2 years ago in Florida, he was on their 4th line and his stats were very poor in 41 games played.

The above would indicate that the 4th line should be Hordichuk Johnson and Hansen. Now that Hansen is injured, both Rypien and Glass will get the chance to show what they can do. But Hansen will be missed.

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09-28-2009, 03:17 AM
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09-28-2009, 10:35 AM
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This is a bigger loss for the Canucks than people realize. Hansen is really our 10th forward and our best 4th liner. It really weakens the 4th line not to have him. And the 4th line does matter.

Here's why:

I went to behindthenet and reviewed each team's forwards by even strength minutes played based on a minimum # of games played (40). After reviewing each team, it quickly became apparent that almost every team plays 9 forwards 10 or more minutes, with the rest (3 or more) of the forwards between 7 and 10 minutes per game - these remaining players are clearly the 4th liners. Other revealing data:

My guesstimate is that the avg 4th line is -1 per 60. Every 60 minutes they play, they score one less goal than they get scored on.
(Only 1 complete 4th line (Chicago - Eager Fraser Burrish) was comfortably in positive territory ~+ 0.4)).

This also means that 4th lines DO NOT always play against other 4th lines because if that were the case they wouldn't almost all be negative.

The differential between the avg 4th line and Chicago was ~ 15 goals over the course of a season (650 minutes * 1.4 goals per 60 / 60), which is very substantial. By the way, Chicago's 4th line was awful the previous year although it was the Adams (Craig and Kevyn) on the line instead of Fraser (based on minutes played - reality could be otherwise...).

Ccontrary to my expectations, Johnson and Hordichuk were among the better 4th lines as their +/- wasn't too bad and they were within the avg. ballpark in pts/60. Though as pointed out in another post of mine, their shots on goal for and against were brutal last year.

Jannick Hansen is a very interesting case. His minutes played indicate a guy who played 3rd to 4th line minutes (10.55). His pts per 60 (1.98) and +/- (+0.4) would have ranked him as one of the best 4th liners in the league. From this pre-season, its easy to see why: tremendous skater, fights for the puck, smart player - good positionally and very aware on the ice, responsible defensively and very good on the pk. Had he not been injured, he definitely makes a strong case for being the 10th forward on the team (and not the 13th). Potentially, his impact on that line could be like Fraser on Chicago's 4th line.

Rypien's #s weren't very good but he only played 12 games so the sample size is too small. Glass looked good in pre-season but 2 years ago in Florida, he was on their 4th line and his stats were very poor in 41 games played.

The above would indicate that the 4th line should be Hordichuk Johnson and Hansen. Now that Hansen is injured, both Rypien and Glass will get the chance to show what they can do. But Hansen will be missed.
one problem with this analysis - you don't consider who these 4th line players are playing with - simply take their stats as if they have equal quality of linemates and have put up all their points in similar situations - which clearly isn't the case with Hansen, who started the year on the 3rd line, and got time on the top line - where he did put up points next to the Sedins - something that no one else on the 4th line has had the benefit of.

If you want to break down the stats fairly, then just consider the points per minute spent on the 4th line alone, and take away all of Hansen's points that were generated while playing with Burrows/Kesler or the Sedins - and my guess is that his overall points per icetime will see a drastic reduction and put him in the same territory as the rest of the 4th line guys.

That's not to say that Hansen isn't a more offensively talented player that the rest of that 4th line, but comparing numbers isn't fair if you don't look at the situation they were attained. My guess is that the majority of Hansen's points were generated in the 1st half of the season, when he spent very little time on the 4th line... therefore his points/minute should not rank him as among the best 4th liners, since he didn't generate most of his points in that role... it'd be similar to classifying Raymond as a 4th liner because he spent some time there, but ignoring the fact that the majority of his points were attained on a different line.

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09-28-2009, 10:53 AM
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That's not to say that Hansen isn't a more offensively talented player that the rest of that 4th line, but comparing numbers isn't fair if you don't look at the situation they were attained. My guess is that the majority of Hansen's points were generated in the 1st half of the season, when he spent very little time on the 4th line... therefore his points/minute should not rank him as among the best 4th liners, since he didn't generate most of his points in that role... it'd be similar to classifying Raymond as a 4th liner because he spent some time there, but ignoring the fact that the majority of his points were attained on a different line.
The difference in productivity between the fourth line with Hansen and without Hansen last season is just as dramatic.

Hordichuk was on the ice for 6 GF in 82 mins playing with Hansen and 5 GF in 310 mins without Hansen. The story is the same for Johnson, who goes from 5 GF in 106 mins to 8 GF in 366 mins without him. Hansen probably doesn't score at the same rate on the fourth line but he'd still score a significantly higher rate than any of the other players on that line. There was also a huge shift in territorial play when those two got to play with Hansen than when they were playing with Rypien or Brown.

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The difference in productivity between the fourth line with Hansen and without Hansen last season is just as dramatic.

Hordichuk was on the ice for 6 GF in 82 mins playing with Hansen and 5 GF in 310 mins without Hansen. The story is the same for Johnson, who goes from 5 GF in 106 mins to 8 GF in 366 mins without him. Hansen probably doesn't score at the same rate on the fourth line but he'd still score a significantly higher rate than any of the other players on that line. There was also a huge shift in territorial play when those two got to play with Hansen than when they were playing with Rypien or Brown.
so what was Hansen's points per minute when he was exclusively on the 4th line? and where does that rank among 4th line players in the NHL?

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so what was Hansen's points per minute when he was exclusively on the 4th line? and where does that rank among 4th line players in the NHL?
I don't have an exact number but a very rough estimate knowing that Hansen moved down to the fourth line when his ice time was consistently below 10 mins (so from Feb-Mar) puts him at a rate of 1.4 points/60 mins, and that's not considering that three of those games were after returning from a 6 week layoff due to injury. That's still better than Rypien, Pyatt, Wellwood, Raymond, Johnson, and Hordichuk last season on the Canucks.

The thing is that you're dealing with a relatively small sample size. But there was also a huge shift in territorial play from the fourth line (they were shooting more and getting shot against much less) when he was on that line which suggests that he did have a big impact on results.

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I don't have an exact number but a very rough estimate knowing that Hansen moved down to the fourth line when his ice time was consistently below 10 mins (so from Feb-Mar) puts him at a rate of 1.4 points/60 mins, and that's not considering that three of those games were after returning from a 6 week layoff due to injury. That's still better than Rypien, Pyatt, Wellwood, Raymond, Johnson, and Hordichuk last season on the Canucks.

The thing is that you're dealing with a relatively small sample size. But there was also a huge shift in territorial play from the fourth line (they were shooting more and getting shot against much less) when he was on that line which suggests that he did have a big impact on results.
I never knew you could get that granular, that's awesome.

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Minor injuries:
D Kevin Bieksa, groin, day-to-day
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According to Team1040, Pavol Demitra is not on the LTIR and is on the 23-man roster.

We are now within 100,000 of the cap.

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According to Blake Price on the team 15 minutes ago, Salo was not at practice today.

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According to Blake Price on the team 15 minutes ago, Salo was not at practice today.
He was out late last night celebrating his 600th game.

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TSN saying Salo was "working out"

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Salo - As AV proffered from "tweek to tweek"

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Botchford is reporting that Daniel Sedin missed practice with a foot injury. No word yet on whether or not there's a fracture:

Daniel Sedin misses practice Friday, fuelling speculation he has foot injury

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The Canucks were without Daniel Sedin when they returned to practice Friday afternoon. It's believed he has a foot injury, possibly a broken foot.
The Canucks have not commented yet.
Sedin had his skates off and had his foot examined in the second intermission of the Canucks 7-1 win against Montreal Wednesday. He returned to play the third period and was further examined after the game.

"He took a shot off the foot, but I don't know anything more than than," Henrik Sedin said after the game.
If his foot is broken, Daniel could miss the next 4-6 weeks. It would be a big blow to the Canucks.
Steve Bernier replaced Daniel on the Canucks No. 1 line with Henrik and Alex Burrows for Friday's skate. Burrows replaced Daniel on the team's No.1 power play.
Lone bright-side: At least it was the other Sedin without a current Iron-Man streak that got hit.

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Daniel still played extremely well in the 3rd period...I wouldn't expect anything serious.

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Any news on Demitra and Schneider?

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Botchford is reporting that Daniel Sedin missed practice with a foot injury. No word yet on whether or not there's a fracture:

Daniel Sedin misses practice Friday, fuelling speculation he has foot injury



Lone bright-side: At least it was the other Sedin without a current Iron-Man streak that got hit.
anything botchford reports has to be taken with a mountain of salt.

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Any news on Demitra and Schneider?
Both LTIR - earliest possible return is 25 October 2009 against the Oilers.

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Both LTIR - earliest possible return is 25 October 2009 against the Oilers.
I read in some Canucks email I got today Schneider said he's hoping to be back by the end of the month. He wrote a blog on canucks.com. Said he's had no setbacks and is feeling good.

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Looks like Demitra could be out longer than originally forecast:

Canuck left winger Pavol Demitra, who had off-season shoulder surgery, is behind in his rehab, according to Vigneault.
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Salo has not returned to the bench after looking like he tweaked something on a pivot.

Could end up with 14M of injured players.

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